Posted on 12/01/2008 8:32:59 AM PST by NonZeroSum
I’m pretty sure that I’ve never mentioned the birth certificate issue up until this point, even in the heat of the campaign.
I have to confess that I have no idea what to make of the fact that, despite all of the lawsuits (most of which were thrown out due to lack of standing, which in turn makes one wonder, if a US citizen has no standing to challenge whether or not a presidential candidate is eligible to be president, who does?), the Obama campaign could easily put this to rest by simply unsealing the birth certificate, which (coincidentally with his trip to Hawaii to see his dying grandmother) became explicitly unavailable to the public by order of the (Republican) governor’s office. Instead, it has spent thousands in legal fees fighting efforts to force it to present a valid original certificate of birth.
But let’s ignore that for now. Let’s be purely hypothetical. Suppose, just for the sake of discussion, it does turn out in fact that Senator Obama has been less than forthright about his past (something that would be hardly unprecedented) and turns out to not be constitutionally eligible for the office, due to (say) having been born in Kenya to ineligible parents. I think that, assuming that we actually follow the Constitution (sadly, a novel concept these days), and he thereby does not become the next president, there will be (among other things) massive race riots. But here’s the interesting question: who becomes the next president in his stead...?
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Assuming that FR pundits are right and he was born overseas, I think that he's narcissistic enough to say "So what? Come take the presidency!". And all of the followers would say "So what! It's just the Constitution.". And nothing would happen, IMHO. (note, I didn't say I agreed with it....just being pragmatic).
No, I think that there's something on that BC that's personally damaging. I've read speculatation that, since his mother travelled to Cuba in 1960, that Obama's Dad is actually Cuban. Hard to be the "First Black President" when you're not black.
Besides, "Obama might have been born in Kenya, but the laws in HI are a little different, so he was able to declare himself a citizen for up to a year after his birth, unless he was naturalized when he was adopted by his Idonesian Father." won't play well with the American public because, frankly, it requires thought.
"Obama is not Black, he's Cuban." would play in the MSM because it's concise and uses short words the public can understand.
I think that’s only if a sitting President croaks.
Well that means then that Biden is president “until a president is qualified” which would imply a special election to me.
“How could Biden be eligible? His eligibility is based on being selected by Obama. If Obama isn’t eligible then his pick for a VP is void also.”
No, Biden was nominated by the Democratic Party and will be elected on December 15th by the duly chosen electors of the 50 states plus DC. The fact that the Democratic Party nominated Biden on the advice of an imposter is legally irrelevent. Barring some big surprise, Joe’s our new legally-elected leader!
“which would imply a special election to me.”
Not in this country. Are you from France?
I don’t understand why it would be Biden, he would not even be VP since if it works out that Obama cannot be President then Biden would be just along for the unconstitional ride.
I have no idea actually haha but it is just what I was thinking.
Well the congress is not going to QUALIFY McCain folks, you really think Pelosi and Reid are going to qualify McCain? You are dillusional.
Better take another look. The 12th amendment changed the basic process. Yes the second most vote getter used to become the VP, but each elector got two votes.
Now they get one vote for President, and one for VP. The one who gets the most votes for each office individually, gets the office, if they get a majority. If they do not get a majority, then the House of Representatives decides, but they get one vote per state, not one per Representative. If there are no "faithless" electors, only Obama and McCain will have votes. If Obama were found ineligible, that would leave McCain, and the House is restricted to picking among people who actually got votes, actually only the top 3. However I expect at least one "faithless" Dem elector will vote for someone other than Obama, "just in case". There is no federal law against it, and about half the states do not prohibit it either, so finding someone willing to do that should not be a problem. If that happens, then the House could pick that person, even though they only got 1 vote, rather than McCain who got well over 100 votes.
That's if the DQ comes after the electors vote. If before, I would think most of the electors would vote for whomever the Democrat Party designates as their candidate. At least in California, that's what the pledged electors are required to do, vote for the candidate of the Party they were elected to vote for, not the individual. Each state is different, but most seem to have "outs" for candidates who die or become unable to take office after the selection of the electors ( Nov. 4 for this election).
“just something he really, really, doesn’t want revealed.”
I’d bet good money that Barry’s original Hawaii birth certificate is a report by a citizen of Hawaii of a birth in a foreign country, namely Kenya. Like the Nixon White House tapes, Barry’s birth certificate must never see the light of day, or he will lose the support of Congress to continue in office.
Biden was elected, or has the electoral votes, to become VP not President. Only if Obama died would he become President, unless the electors decide to vote for him, and then for someone else for VP. He's not a big enough fish for that to happen, IMHO. More likely he'd end up as someone else's VP. Maybe Her Thighness, Maybe The Screamer.
“you really think Pelosi and Reid are going to qualify McCain?”
No way!
If Hillary gets one electoral vote they’d be able to choose her ( The HR chooses from the top 3 electoral vote recipients for POTUS ). Otherwise, they could leave the office of POTUS vacant, and Joe Biden would rule as acting-President.
On the contrary, we most assuredly did "impeach" him! The House voted for impeachment (sorta like a grand jury returning an "indictment"). The gutless Senate refused to convict him on the charges. So he was not removed from office but the face remains, William Jefferson Clinton was impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors (lying to a grand jury while under oath is perjury, a felony offense)
Regards,
GtG
I really hate that when it happens!
GtG
This is the essence of the problem. The highest court in the land doesn't seem to care about our country's founding document. That's a stunning fact, at least to those of us who are paying attention.
Many Cubans are black. Given his mother's complexion, it's very unlikely that his father isn't black.
If he's hiding anything unrelated to his citizenship, it's more likely that Frank Marshall Davis is his true father.
I say the dems. should be disqualified for fraud.
I’d give up drinking if that were to happen, uh, well after celebrating!
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Does the font in the Honolulu Advertiser announincing 0’s birth look right. It looks like arial, helvitica, etc?. I would think it should look more like Pica, Elite, Times New Roman, etc.?
Has anyone seen the actual newspaper? I have looked on line and have not been able to find it.
Biden was nominated by the Democratic National Convention and (will be) elected by 365 legally-chosen Electors for Vice President of the United States.
Neither of those things has anything to do with Obama.
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