Hospitals in Hawaii to Obama: You Were Not Born Here!

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Hospitals in Hawaii to Obama: You Were Not Born Here!

By admin on Dec 2, 2008 in Blogging, Offbeat, Politics, Social Media

 

Supposed Conspiracy Claim Turns REAL on Obama

It is becoming painfully obvious that we may very well have a criminal President in 2009.  No this isn’t a joke. What I speak of is the curious developments in the supposedly racist, biased, dumb,  as well as insane case of where Obama was born.  Why the Barack Obama Birth Certificate Issue Is Legitimate

A strange development indeed is how it is that every time Barack Obama or a family member tells of where Obama was born, they seem to have no idea as of December 2008.

They seemed to know what hospital quite a few times months ago when it was claimed that Obama’s mother gave birth to him at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu - Obama and Mom Never Here

The Queen’s Medical Center
1301 Punchbowl StreetHonolulu, HI 96813  Link to Site
Phone number 808-538-9011 General Medical Records 808-547-4361.

After it was concluded that Obama and his mother were never there, his sister was in an interview (Mary) and claimed that Obama was born at  Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children - Obama and Mom Never Here 1319 Punahou StreetHonolulu, Hawaii 96826(808) 535-7000  Link to site

Hospital after Hospital - all Have No Record of Obama being born or Mom Ever being There. 

Hospital after hospital in Honolulu all have NO RECORD of Obama or mother ever being there.   Is this some state secret? Are we to believe that even the hospital that he was born in should remain secret? Why lie to us as if it matters I mean the man did win the Presidential vote? Why the lies and secrecy?

We already know that Obama’s family and the entire nation of Kenya (which is about to have a national holiday for Obama) know that Barack Obama was born in Mombasa Coastal Hospital in Kenya. The government of Kenya has sealed these records.  More and more secrecy due to the fact that once proven, Obama will not be constitutionally allowed to become President of the United States!

All of these were called from November 20 - December 2nd 2008. It is confirmed, OBAMA not born in any hospital in Honolulu County! NONE FACT!

Hospitals you can check yourself

• The Queen’s Medical Center - Honolulu, Hawaii  Obama claims as his birth hospital
  
• Kapi’ olani Medical Center  Obama’s sister claims Barack Obama born here
• Honolulu Shriners Hospital      Never a patient Mom or Obama
• Straub Clinic & Hospital    Never a patient Mom or Obama
• Hawaii Health Systems Corporation - Honolulu, Hawaii    Never a patient Mom or Obama
• Cancer Institute of Maui - Wailuku, Hawaii    No Comment ???
  
• Kuakini Hospital - Honolulu, Hawaii    Never a patient Mom or Obama
• Rehabilitation Hospital of the Pacific - Honolulu, Hawaii   Never a patient Mom or Obama
• St. Francis Healthcare System of Hawaii - Hawaii   Never a patient Mom or Obama
• Straub Heatlh - Honolulu, Hawaii   Never a patient Mom or Obama
• Tripler Medical Center - Honolulu, Hawaii   Never a patient Mom or Obama
• Wahiawa General Hospital - Wahiawa, Hawaii   Never a patient Mom or Obama
• Wilcox Memorial Hospital - Lihue, Kauai, Hawaii  Never a patient Mom or Obama

We were pretty detailed in our calls.  You can look at every hospital here and call any of them.  You can file freedom of information acts, you can do everything and anything you wish.  Barack Obama was never born in a hospital in Hawaii as claimed.

Only his original that he has sealed will have this info.  Will the Supreme Court force it open and thus preserve the Constitution of the United States?

Why the Barack Obama Birth Certificate Issue Is Legitimate

Hawaii Issues Birth Certificates to Foreign Born Residents!

Here’s Hawaii saying it like it it. All Doubts Cleared my Friends.

A. From Hawaii’s official Department of Health, Vital Records webpage: “Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country“ (applies to adopted children). 
B. A parent may register an in-state birth in lieu of certification by a hospital of birth under HRS 338-5.
C. Hawaiian law expressly provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8.  A foreign birth presumably would have been recorded by the American consular of the country of birth, and presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate.
D. Hawaiian law, however, expressly acknowledges that its system is subject to error.  See, for example, HRS 338-17.
E. Hawaiian law expressly provides for verification in lieu of certified copy of a birth certificate under HRS 338-14.3.
F. Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a certified copy of a birth certificate as conclusive evidence for its homestead program.  From its web site:  “In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”

Now that we all understand that you can be born in Madagascar, Russia, Norway, Brazil or even Kenya like Obama and still have a REAL birth certificate that both Snopes and Factcheck would say was real since they are real. That doesn’t mean you were born in Hawaii. Does this matter to America?

Barack Obama has as of November 27th 2008 spent over$500,000 U.S. to prevent others from seeing it. Why? Didn’t he already win the vote?

Please don’t bring up Snopes (link) that says THEYVE SEEN Obama’s birth certificate and it is the one on his site called Fight the Smears. That is just plain garbage as it has a 2007 border and doesn’t list the hospital, Dr. or place of birth!  Plus they say they’ve seen his real birth certificate (you know the one that we the people aren’t allowed to see) .

All of the people born in Korea, Kenya, Mongolia, Australia and who also have Hawaiian birth certificates also have REAL birth certificates.

This does not mean they were born in Hawaii. Get it?

The following is what Obama has on his site as his real birth certificate authenticated by Snopes and Factcheck. Hmmm - 2007 borders, no info on original at all? What’s wrong with this picture? Yes it is a real birth certificate, so are the tens of thousands of other birth certificates given to people born in other countries.

Please don’t bring up Fact Check either (link) as they and Snopes can literally LOOK AT the thousands and thousands of birth certificates in Hawaii from people born in Korea, Australia, Germany and even Kenya like Barack Obama!  They are all REAL and Authentic birth certificates, but that doesn’t mean Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Snopes and FactCheck aren’t lying when they say the 2007 birth certificate on Obama’s site is real.  So are the thousands and thousands of birth certificates in Hawaii from people born in Korea, Australia, Germany and even Kenya like Barack Obama!  They are all REAL and Authentic birth certificates, but that doesn’t mean they or Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

This is the whole point my friends.  That is why many of us are incensed that Obama is about to become the President and may not even Constitutionally qualify to be one!

This is unacceptable to every American who understands that Hawaii issues birth certificates to those born in foreign nations.

Yes - it is a proven fact that Hawaii grants birth certificates to people born in other nations! If you or I want a copy, they produce the document that you see on Obama’s site.  That is NOT the one that has what we need to see to have Obama become President of the United States.

To become President of the United States one must meet 3 criteria.  

• You must be 35 years of Age
• You must be a resident for 14 years
• You must be a natural born citizen - this is the one that someone born outside of the United States would obviously spend hundreds of thousands $$ to prevent us from seeing his birth certificate, just as Barack Obama has done.   Hint Hint.

What is Barack Obama Hiding? Can anyone answer the question as to where and what hospital he was born in?

Time is ticking and it looks like all hope is on the Supreme Court on Friday when they review a csase before them designed to force Obama to release his birth certificate.  December 5th 2008 is the deadline for them to meet.

No One Checks these People’s backgrounds at all? 

There is in fact NO ONE that checks. That is part of the lawsuits before the Supreme Court against the DNC as well as Obama. All they do is ask the state of birth if they have a real birth certificate on file and what the date of birth is. That is ALL! This is the whole point of the matter.

We even had other candidates run for the Presidency in minor parties like this guy - who ran for President against Obama and McCain but WAS BORN IN NICARAGUA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B3ger_Calero
Understand that there is no one that makes sure like a national HR dept that candidates are qualified. Róger Calero was the Socialist Workers Party Candidate.

He Ran and no one checked on his background either

Róger Calero was also arrested for felonies - another reason that he should not have even been allowed to even run for the Presidency in America. FACT.  By the way he (Róger Calero) was on the ballot in five states, where he received 7,209 votes. Coupled with the 2,618 votes received in the five states where Harris was on the ballot, the Socialist Workers Party received 9,827 votes.  No one checked his qualifications either. No one does!

We need to see Obama’s ’sealed’ birth certificate to clear all of the lies.

See:  Shocker: Why Obama WILL NOT Be President in January

[celtic gal]

Thunder and lightening...you might just be on to something!

[celtic gal]

Well now that you mention that triumvirate,, I suppose you are correct. Sigh.

[eyedigress]

2. Has the case been shown to be a valid case where they have been harmed by the illegality committed against them by the other parties illegal action.

As a jurist on SCOTUS would you say that a direct violaton of the Constitution would apply here?

[so_real]

Ann Coulter, hmmm ... if you a lurking out there, Ann, I would love to hear your take on this "natural born" situation -- not only because you know law, but also because you might have some insight as to why the media is so loath to touch on the issue.

[fightinJAG]

Awake-n-angry,

I’m afraid you are making the freshman mistake of equating *citizenship* with *eligiblity to serve as President.*

Yes, there is substantial precedent on when one is a citizen. There is much less specifically addressing the issue of what constitutes “natural born citizenship,” i.e., the circumstances in which one obtains the type of citizenship status that makes one eligible to serve as President.

Since “natural born” uses the word “born,” it would be easy to think it simply refers to *where* one was born. But it’s not clear that the law is that easy. It may be that a citizen can be “natural born” by descent (that is, receiving citizenship from his parents, regardless of birthplace), as *arguably* McCain did.

This is not necessarily an open-and-shut question. It depends on the facts, first, and those do not seem to be nailed down yet. There is still controversy, for example, over how Hawaii’s laws on recording births operated in 1961.

Bottom line: a passport, your example, may prove citizenship, but it doesn’t prove “natural born citizenship” status.

[pepperhead]

And that is your opinion.

[Sharrukin]

Conservative of repute? Interesting phrase. How do they establish that reputation? Might it have something to do with avoiding issues that are too controversial and the outcome too uncertain?

[El Gato]

CAN I TAKE OFF MY TINFOIL HAT NOW???????????????

Sure, but you might want to switch it out for steel or Kevlar. OTOH, wouldn't hurt to line the Kevlar with foil. While not as good a conductor as aluminum, steel serves the same shielding function.

[Freedom56v2]

“Has anyone heard of HIPPA-Health Insurers Privacy and Propogation Act. By law, hospitals are not allowed to give out personal info. They don’t care if you’re asking about a homeless man or the president elect.

I was thinking the same thing. Wouldn’t it be a violation of patient privacy laws to disclose this information?”

<<<<Maybe someone with first-hand knowledge can weigh in, but IMO, seems that they did provide a sufficient answer by saying he wasn’t a patient rather than a “cannot confirm” statement. Also, since you can call a hospital and ask for a patient and then be connected to their room, I am thinking that hospital can (if want to) say they have no record, just not comment on what patient is doing there...

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

LOL,Hope you’re well.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Very well could be,,,

You would think that anybody that was “born” in Hawaii

would know that it’s 50th!!!...;0)

[BIGLOOK]

Everyone is cued in to the date 8/4/61. That's the date of the alleged birth given to a doctor at a clinic for women and children by the mother and the grandmother during what would be a post natal and a 'well baby' examination.

At the time Kapiolani Hospital didn't exist but there was the Kapiolani Clinic for Women and Children. While possible but not probable, Obama or whatever name he was given could have been delivered there. I doubt it.

Now, think what a doctor would do when a teenaged mother with a kid in tow and her mother show up at the clinic for the exam and request a Certificate of Birth. Their story is the only thing the doctor has to go on. But in his remarks on the certificate, he may have indicated his best estimate of the age of the child......like a week old (or more) infant.

Like everything else in Obama's description of his life and education, the date of birth may have been fabricated.

[eyedigress]

Annie ping

[fightinJAG]

Birth Certificates Alone do not Provide Conclusive or Reliable Proof of Identity

Many agencies and organizations request that individuals provide their birth certificates to receive a benefit or service, or to support the issuance of other documents often used for identity purposes (e.g., driver’s license). However, agencies who rely on birth certificates as a means of establishing identity must understand the limitations of accepting a birth certificate as proof of age, citizenship, or identity. For example, genuine documents obtained with counterfeit birth certificates can be used to obtain genuine birth certificates. Thus, it is inherently illogical to require someone to prove their identity using potentially fraudulent identity documents spawned by false birth certificates in order to obtain a birth certificate.

Thanks for the link!

Have you sent this gem to Donofrio? You should.

Also, IIHO, it's worthy of its own thread.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Doin’ great here,,,

Hope you and yours are too,,,

We’ll all be better when O’Bammy gets the Boot!...;0)

[fightinJAG]

The SCOTUS can only take cases when there is a case or controversy. I don’t think at anytime in history has a candidate about whom there was even the slightest controversy about his “natural born citizenship” status actually WON the election-—thereby, making it matter.

This is one of the reasons why the Supremes should jump on this issue now-—it needs to be more settled and the fact pattern might not come around again for a while. In the Donofrio case, he challenges the eligibility of Obama, McCain and that that dude who was actually born in Nicarauga. That’s all good.

[fightinJAG]

Heck, if you want affidavits from older relatives, shall we rely on his step-grandmother who says he was born in Kenya?

Zippidy-doo-dah . . .

[Lmo56]

The Court has to force this just to end it.”
Based on what legal requirement or action? The court only addresses actions brought before it by capable parties.

Capable meaning those who present they are capable as parties able to bring action as those in the proper standing to the case.

Maybe this is the loop hole that no one who has the right standing as another party to the case has not asked the right question.

Meaning I think having three points.
1. Acknowledged their standing as a valid party to the particular law regarding their case.

2. Has the case been shown to be a valid case where they have been harmed by the illegality committed against them by the other parties illegal action.

3. What is the action/remedy that is proscribed by law to address the harm to the other party.

***

True - SCOTUS has NO POWER defined in the Constitution to force this, but ever since Marbury v. Madison, where they ASSERTED the right to judicial review, THEY HAVE ASSUMED THE DE FACTO POWER TO DO SO IN THE PUBLIC’S EYE. Just look to United States v. Nixon, when SCOTUS ordered Nixon to turn over the tapes - he could have ignored them, but HE DID NOT ...

Now as far as standing:

Donofrio took his case through the NJ State Court system and was denied twice - which he fully expected.

His next recourse was to SCOTUS - and HE does have standing, based on SCOTUS rules. Appeals of cases from State Supreme Courts are AUTOMATICALLY appealable to SCOTUS.

Now as far as harm:

Donofrio cited in his brief Bush v. Gore, where SCOTUS affirmed that ANY infringement on the right to vote is a grievous thing. He also cited other harms ...

As for remedy:

If it is determined that a fraud was perpetrated upon the United States (an ineligible candidate or candidates), remove the prepetrator ...

[JSteff]

“Has anyone heard of HIPPA-Health Insurers Privacy and Propogation Act.”

Anyone who is a valid person or entity of interest can view anyone else health care records.
Government agencies with an inquiry of interest on about any person,
insurance companies and their employees or contractors,
hospitals- doctors -healthcare providers and their employees,
pharmacutical companies- providers- suppliers- and retailers (think Bush Prescription Drug Plan)
etc,
etc,
etc.

Like someone who works for on of the Blues told me it is more a right for any person or company presenting any properly formatted inquiry. Meaning about anyone with the right form, signed by the right person. NOT necessarily the person whose record is of question or interest.

Remember this started under by the Hillary health care plan but never got eliminated by the ending of her universal health care plan.

Of all the things Hillary care wanted, one report I saw said that 85+++% of it was enacted or approved.

[Jess Kitting]

I used to think that my son was natural born because he got the USA BC right away and the passport. Now I am realizing that he is not, and could never become President.

I think your son would qualify, provided that both you and your spouse were U.S. citizens at the time. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which was U.S. territory at the time. However, his "natural born citizenship" came from the fact that both his parents were U.S. citizens.

In Obama's case, only his Mommie was a U.S. citizen, so she could not automatically confer natural born citizenship on her son.