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1 posted on 12/03/2008 8:14:35 AM PST by Scythian
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I see no new facts here just your opinion so I'll add my own opinion.

The fact that the MSM is now starting to cover this is very interesting. I thought this subject was not worthy before the election, there were other more important issues. Now that he's won let's see if it's a legitimate victory. Even if we lose this battle his administration will be tainted by scandal before it even begins.

It would be so easy for Obama to end this by just waving it at a press conference. The fact that he had many opportunities and hasn't makes me think there really is something rotten in Denmark.

46 posted on 12/03/2008 8:32:03 AM PST by McGruff
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Im on the same page like you.

I still have “nightmares” as to how we were duped by that API-Michelle tape.

At the end of this whole drive, we might just be set up as MOONBATS.

The more I step back and review all these issues, the more I see the risks ahead.

For me, its all down to SCOTUS on Friday. If SCOTUS punts and dismisses the cases, thats a huge sign that this was all for nothing.


49 posted on 12/03/2008 8:32:14 AM PST by texas12joe
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He’s hiding something. The American people deserve to know what it is.

I agree he will be inaugurated.


53 posted on 12/03/2008 8:33:02 AM PST by freespirited (Honk to indict the MSM for treason.)
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First: So what? He's already engaged in a felony by manufacturing and portraying as genuine a fake COLB.

Second: And there could be aliens alive in the U.S. right now.

Third: A court already threw a presidential candidate off the ticket because he didn't meet the Constitutional requirements. It was appealed all the way to the Supreme Court where he lost also.
54 posted on 12/03/2008 8:33:46 AM PST by aruanan
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I agree with you fully on point one. But not on point three:

no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen.

By law in the State of New Jersey the SOS is required to certify that candidates for public office are "qualified", to do this she would need proof that he is a citizen. She did not do that regarding Obama, this is the essence of the Donofrio case.

57 posted on 12/03/2008 8:34:20 AM PST by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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It could be that we are being set up. Years from now, he will still use the charge that “My opponents are willing to try any crazy scheme to oppose me, like they did years ago when they tried that ridiculous Birth Certificate thing”...


63 posted on 12/03/2008 8:36:21 AM PST by Paradox (When the left have no one to villainize, they'll turn on each other.)
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Third, no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen. A criminal doesn't have to prove he didn't commit a crime, the state has to prove that he did.

This isn't a criminal issue. Did you show your birth certificate (or other wise prove your age) to get a driver's license? Have you tried to get a library card lately?

67 posted on 12/03/2008 8:37:29 AM PST by TankerKC (Wal-Mart haters: It IS NOT OK to trample someone.)
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bttt


68 posted on 12/03/2008 8:38:41 AM PST by Born Conservative (Bohicaville: http://bohicaville.wordpress.com/)
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If there is a legitimate birth certificate, osama hussein needs to prove his legality & legitimacy to inherit the CEO’s job. Since there are 17 lawsuits in 12 states and 2 justices have agreed to hear 2 plus osama has hired 3 law firms to represent him spells something corrupt floating in the air.


70 posted on 12/03/2008 8:39:33 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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“First, there is always the chance that there is a valid birth certificate proving Obama to be a US citizen.” I predict this is what will come to light, but I believe we must fight this battle anyway. By insisting that everyone actually prove he is a natural-born citizen before becoming President, we are upholding the constitution and protecting our country.
78 posted on 12/03/2008 8:44:36 AM PST by utahagen
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The Emperor has no clothes, but yes, the courts will probably not tackle it, so Zero will be sworn in.

However, this will NOT go away. Lawsuits about it will continue throughout his presidency, and even tho probably without apparent legal success, the success they WILL have is to keep a growing cloud over his presidency.

And if Big-Eared Socialist dewd wants to run for a second term, tho it won’t be mentioned by Pubbie opponents, it will be a huge negative undercurrent for him, that will be mentioned in ads run by various groups. OBamBam will try to suppress those ads, but in the Internet age, he will not be able to squelch the issue completely.

So bottom-line, it is good that the machinations of it continue, so the cloud over him hangs there, as more and more with eyes to see, notice that the goobermint is ignoring the Constitution and suppressing information. So get used to it and control the ups and downs of your emotions.


83 posted on 12/03/2008 8:48:40 AM PST by webschooner
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Here is the proof you do not think exists. All hospitals indicate Obama was NOT born in HI.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2141909/posts


84 posted on 12/03/2008 8:48:56 AM PST by stockpirate (United Socialist States of America- USSA. Prepare for the Final Solution.)
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Third, no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen. A criminal doesn't have to prove he didn't commit a crime, the state has to prove that he did.

A defendant charged with violating a law signed into effect by President Barrack Obama would use as a defense that the law is invalid since Barrack Obama is not legitimately the president. The defendant then has the constitution right to demand the evidence supporting Barrack Obama's legitimacy be provided to the defendant for forensic review. So point 3 is not valid.

85 posted on 12/03/2008 8:49:06 AM PST by CMAC51
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He is king of the world anyway, so it doesn’t matter where he is a citizen.


92 posted on 12/03/2008 8:52:16 AM PST by westmichman ( God said: "They cry 'peace! peace!' but there is no peace. Jeremiah 6:14)
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Agreed. This item will go the way of Vince Foster, the missing files & cattle futures.

We should know by now that neither a dead woman nor a live boy in a democrat's bed will matter. There is no scandal 'less Big Media says so.

And they will not. Instead they'll make those asking for proof look foolish.

93 posted on 12/03/2008 8:53:01 AM PST by skeeter (Its Barry's fault)
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The entire U.S. would also be in a “much bigger mess” in a finite number of ways, if it’s proven that Barack Obama isn’t an American citizen. I don’t like it, but Barack Obama did get the majority of voters to vote for him, no matter what’s true and untrue about him. The entire U.S. would be very vulnerable in a finite number of ways to the rest of the world, if Barack Obama is officially proven to not be an American citizen.


98 posted on 12/03/2008 8:55:50 AM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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If you are going to post a vanity, please proofread first. At least use spellcheck. Spelling errors in the title reflect poorly on FR.


99 posted on 12/03/2008 8:56:03 AM PST by ladyjane
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I would agree that the parties in the BEST position to question any candidate’s qualifications would be the electors (who are committed party members and therefore not a prospect) and the House and Senate members, who accept the electoral votes and have a right to challenge. Maybe not the only ones, but these people certainly should satisfy themselves in this regard.

I strongly doubt that very many in our Congress have the courage to make such a challenge, but I could be wrong. All it would take is one Senator and one Congressman to raise the issue. It would be hard for the media to ignore this.

I also hope people don’t lose sight of questions regarging any adoption by Obama’s Indonesian stepfather and any inormation about citizenship possible contained in any student or selective service records. There is conjecture that Obama may have claimed foreign citizenship if it was to his advantage. Unfortunate conjecture, perhaps, but this is what happens when so much effort is expended keeping seemingly routine information a secret.

I’m not expecting Obama to be declared ineligible, but this “secrecy,” one of many qualities ascribed to Bush’s administration by the left, is in itself a concern.


100 posted on 12/03/2008 8:57:46 AM PST by cvq3842
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Have you seen a Hawai’ian Certificate of Live Birth? Not a Certification of Live Birth, but a Certificate of Live Birth.

To fake one, they’d have to put the name of a real doctor, nurse or midwife on it, with a signature. If they did that, it would open up new lines of inquiry that would be difficult to defend, and would then be truly open to a criminal investigation for fraud. Ugly, real fast.

OTOH, a Certification of Live Birth is not proof of a Hawai’ian birth.


108 posted on 12/03/2008 9:04:06 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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All valid points. But nothing that I already didn’t understand.

I am not necessarily “hoping” that Obama is ineligible. I would just like to see some respect for the Constitution. A rival candidate (Alan Keyes) and an official elector have initiated a case in California. They have valid reasons to see proof of citizenship.

Obama should not block attempts to force him to show proof of natural citizenship. He needs to demonstrate transparency. A forgery with this level of exposure had better be perfect...it’s an awfully big risk to even attempt it.


111 posted on 12/03/2008 9:05:14 AM PST by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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