Posted on 12/03/2008 11:43:31 PM PST by BP2
What law says that? It certainly isn't defined that way in the COTUS.
Obama’s mother was under 21 when he was born and his father was not a US citizen. That’s why he’s not a natural born citizen.
Not at all. He was born to two Americans in what was an American protectorate.
The difference with Obama is we really don't know what nationality either parent was, nor where he was actually born.
We might know that, but he's spent about half a mil on lawyers to keep it secret.
That would seem to be, um, a cause for some concern.
Where do you get your information from Chet99?
I’ve listened to everyone of Donofrio’s tapes and he’s cited the law where it states you have to be a natural born citizen to take POTUS. And the law where it states natural born MEANS to have been born of two American citizens.
Go listen to him talk before you speak.
http://grou.ps/zapem - all the audios are in the Radio/Audio section on that website, but there’s two good ones on the front page. He’s gone over this a zillion times, yet few people have educated themselves at all to take the time to listen to him.
If they are not 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof', how can they be illegal aliens? Are they all diplomats from 'Illegal Alienistan' with diplomatic immunity?
When they examine his BC, if they find it is not valid, Thomas will be screwed for the rest of his life. He will be seen as a traitor to his race. I would fear for his life as there are some who would wish him harm for enforcing our constitution.
Thank God for true patriots.
....The children of illegal aliens are most certainly NOT “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”, and are NOT US citizens by circumstance of birth on American soil.....
Anyone in the US, with extremely limited exception, is “subject to the jurisdiction therof.”
ANYONE born on sovereign US soil is a citizen without qualification. Now, if they can be President or not just may be litigated for the first time in over 225 years shortly.
Right, wrong or indifferent, children of illegal immigrants are citizens of the US, if born in this country.
I wish I had read further. Your post sums it up perfectly.
Sorry!
We've got a few different classes of citizen here. Arnold is a "made" citizen, in that he is naturalized. Literally "made natural".
Then, there are people who merely qualify as a US citizen. These are people, who through the circumstance of their birth, are US citizens, but not Natural Born Citizens, such as American children born of parents in foreign countries, and not on the soil of a US embassy, or military base. I've got two brothers who fall into that category.
Then, you've got children born to one US parent, and one foreign parent on US soil, as is the purported case with Obama. Donofrio's case contends that he cannot be a Natural Born Citizen because of the citizenship of his father, who was a Kenyan national and subject of Great Britain.
Obama's personal case is even tougher, because under the citizenship laws at the time, his mother could not have conveyed US citizenship to him, because she had not lived for a period of ten years in the United States, five of them being after the age of 14. She was three months shy of her 19th birthday when Obama was born.
The hard-core Obots don't give a damn about any of our citizenship laws, or the US Constitution. They want their Messiah, no matter what laws have to be broken to anoint him Emperor.
Bah, sorry Chet. I think I responded to the wrong person, you.
I’m going to bed. This is making me dizzy.
That's okay, you can borrow mine.
The US citizenship laws on the books at the time of Obama's birth said that in order to convey US citizenship to a child born of a US citizen and a foreign national, that the US citizen parent had to have lived within the US for a period of ten years, five of those being after the age of 14.
Obama's mother would have had to have been 19 at his birth to confer US citizenship on him, per the law. However, she was 18 at the time of Obama's birth, so couldn't possibly have conveyed US citizenship to him, even if he was born in Honolulu.
That’s okay, you can borrow mine (cite).
So this citation from “The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b). (Section 301 of the Act)”
“a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years”
This citation proves that because Obama was NOT born in America, and his mother was under 21, and his father was not a US citizen, he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, and therefore cannot serve as President.
That is what Judge Thomas and the other members of the Supreme Court will decide and John McCain will become President. Whether Biden or Palin will serve as VP will be up to the Supremes too. (I hope it’s Palin.)
Simple. They are "subject to the jurisdiction" of a foreign power, not the US, hence they're not US citizens, but citizens of that country whose jurisdiction they are subject to.
Totally correct!
We can all be citizen, even I born in DK!!
But we are NOT "natural" born citizen, and because of that, neither I or Hussein are eligible to become President, pure and simple and PERIOD!!!
1790 First Congress, Act of March 26th, 1790, 1 Stat. 103.
"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States".
I wonder, how many FFs participated in the construction and passing of this law? First Congress, just a few years after the COTUS was ratified. Seems the meaning was clear enough then.
This law has been superceeded, dropping the redundant term 'natural born' and becoming gender neutral (citizen parent rather than citizen father), and was this in 1961:
1952 The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b). (Section 301 of the Act).
"Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
"(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
"(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years."
Note the phrase 'citizen at birth' meaning 'having citizenship from birth' or 'natural born' that is used. Note also the section where it discusses the residency requirements for the citizen parent when the other parent is an alien: ten years a resident, five after the age of fourteen. This is where Obama may fail to qualify. His mother was only 18 years 8 months and 6 days old, meaning that without taking into consideration all the travel and other time out of the US she could have, at most, been a resident after the age of 14 for 4 years 8 months and 6 days. Several months short.
Since you are familiar with the information and where it might be found, can you cite the specifics if that law? I've been hunting the specific reference for a while now with no luck.
Father, you have blessed this nation greatly and at this moment we are being tested. I ask for your divine providence to guide us through the dark days ahead. God forgive us for all the ways we fail you. We thank you for the many answers to prayer. No matter what the outcome, we know that your Truth and Love will always prevail. A-men.
Maybe for a time, but as the full catalog of sordid facts emerge about Barry Obama, the animosity toward Justice Thomas will recede. In time, folks will understand that he performed a valiant, and honorable service for his country.
In our history, Obama will find company among our traitors and enemies, while Clarence Thomas will take his rightful place among our most cherished guardians and heroes.
Don't be. Glad for the company.
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