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To: John Valentine

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

If you’re born in the United States, you are a citizen of the US. Period.


18 posted on 12/04/2008 12:15:55 AM PST by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Don't cherry pick the language of the Constitution.

The children of illegal aliens are most certainly NOT "subject to the jurisdiction thereof", and are NOT US citizens by circumstance of birth on American soil.

28 posted on 12/04/2008 12:35:42 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Chet 99
"If you’re born in the United States, you are a citizen of the US. Period."

Unless you are not 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' which applies to only four or so categories of people:

Everybody else is 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the US, e.g. no diplomatic immunity
39 posted on 12/04/2008 12:57:10 AM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: Chet 99
If you’re born in the United States, you are a citizen of the US. Period.

Totally correct!

We can all be citizen, even I born in DK!!

But we are NOT "natural" born citizen, and because of that, neither I or Hussein are eligible to become President, pure and simple and PERIOD!!!

55 posted on 12/04/2008 1:23:38 AM PST by danamco
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To: Chet 99
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Your simplistic reading ignores the phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". While you in your mind might think otherwise, this is no small thing.

If you were correct, then the wording could just as well be “All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

But, pleae take note: That's NOT what the authors wrote, and for good reason. That's NOT what the authors meant, and its not what the ratifiers understood. YOUR view of this matter is the least relevant one of all.

It is a travesty when yo-yos decide that they can ignore what was meant and substitute their own later-day understandings for the understandings of the consitutional authors, even if those yo-tos happen to be judges. In fact that's even worse. And that's exactly what has happened here.

Now, you may THINK what ever you may want to think, and in fact what you think may be the common perception. In this case it is.

It doesn't change the fact that you can only get there by ignoring, twisting, and subverting the Constitution. Hopefully, one day it will be upheld when a case of first impression reaches the court. It hasn't happened yet in the history of the country. Your bent interpretation has never NEVER been tested in the highest Court in the land.

65 posted on 12/04/2008 1:56:49 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: Chet 99

But NOT neccesarily NATURAL BORN CITIZENS. The only legal distinction is that Natural Born citizens ARE eligible to be POTUS, citizens are not.


69 posted on 12/04/2008 2:09:06 AM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Chet 99

But NOT neccesarily NATURAL BORN CITIZENS. The only legal distinction is that Natural Born citizens ARE eligible to be POTUS, citizens are not.


71 posted on 12/04/2008 2:13:27 AM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Chet 99
If you’re born in the United States, you are a citizen of the US. Period.

And likewise, if you are not part of a well-regulated militia, you'd better turn your guns in right now.

120 posted on 12/04/2008 4:32:02 AM PST by 50sDad (-/\/\/\- Obama's coming; be a Resistor!)
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To: Chet 99
This may have already been posted to Chet99, but I haven't finished reading everything.

Chet99, it could be likely if he was born in Hawaii that he is a citizen. Yes, born on US soil you are a US Citizen. That does not pass the right of being a natural born citizen. I think people confuse the fact that women have children naturally, so if you are born you are born natural. This is not the terminology that our founding fathers were talking about.

Born to two US citizens on US soil = Natural born status.

Born to 1 US citizen and 1 Foreign citizen on US soil = US Citizen.

Born to 1 US citizen under age and 1 Foreign citizen out of the Country = Foreign citizen.

Born to 1 US citizen of age and 1 foreign citizen out of country = US citizen if you so desire!
145 posted on 12/04/2008 5:26:55 AM PST by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: Chet 99
If you’re born in the United States, you are a citizen of the US. Period.

Nonsense. Offspring of illegal aliens are not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

http://federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction.html

169 posted on 12/04/2008 6:04:06 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Chet 99

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

“If you’re born in the United States, you are a citizen of the US. Period.”

Yes, one born on US soil is a US citizen. But unless one’s parents were citizens, he/she is not a “natural born” citizen.


208 posted on 12/04/2008 7:08:01 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: Chet 99

true, but not necessarily a natural born citizen.


386 posted on 12/04/2008 2:29:50 PM PST by SerafinQ
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To: Chet 99
If you’re born in the United States, you are a citizen of the US.

You also have to be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." In Obama's case, he clearly was, as both his parents were legal residents of the State of Hawaii, so this lawsuit is absurd. I'm thinking the justices are going to hold a hearing on it just so they can have a good laugh.

However, it is not so clear that a child of two illegal aliens is "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." But that's a topic for another day.

624 posted on 12/05/2008 2:52:38 PM PST by curiosity
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