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The Big Three's real union problem - (Let's ruin foreign manufacturers in the South too)
LATimes ^ | 12/6/08 | Jonathan Cutler

Posted on 12/08/2008 10:26:37 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32

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It is not too late to save the Big Three. But the solution is not to tear down the historic and heroic gains won by prior generations of UAW workers. If there is hope long term -- for the unionized Big Three companies and for the UAW -- it rests in dealing with the unfinished business of the 1980s: unionizing the unorganized transplants.

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To: curiosity

Well, the real problem with the Big 3 and the unions which have hogtied them is that not only do they pay well while they are actually working (which I don’t mind) but they also give workers overly generous pension plans as well. That’s why the Big 3 are so close to bankruptcy. They are paying for more retirement benefits than employee benefits. That’s what has to stop.


21 posted on 12/08/2008 10:38:05 AM PST by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one Bae Yong Joon drama at a time!)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
If the UAW really is to blame at all, then, it is because of the union's utter failure to unionize any of the transplants. What has the UAW been doing all these years? Isn't it the responsibility of any good union to protect union employers from competitive labor disadvantages by organizing wall to wall, throughout the industry?

Jonathan Cutler is your typical reporter, writes his story without doing any research or fact checking. If he looked back to the past, the unions pressed hard to unionize the foreign car makers. The Japanese balked and call unions protection schemes for inferior workers. They said if they had to unionize the plants there would not be any plants. When it came down to the local politicians getting a new plant and many jobs in there district they told the unions to move along. It looks like Mr. Gettlefinger and his boys have to take a page from the Obama play book. It's time for CHANGE we can believe in. So long UAW, it's been fun.

22 posted on 12/08/2008 10:38:49 AM PST by Harley (Life is Tough, But It's a Lot Tougher When You're a Liberal.)
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To: curiosity
“And yet there is nothing inherently unsustainable about employing a high-priced, unionized workforce” "When I read that, I burst out laughing. This guy is a real idiot."

That's true if you are a monopoly.

23 posted on 12/08/2008 10:38:51 AM PST by Mr_Peter
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

http://www.temple.edu/tempress/titles/1614_reg.html

just your everyday joe writing a opinion piece to the LA times. This is the type of tripe these guys get paid to write to put on book shelves and editorials. Not saying he did but makes me wonder.


24 posted on 12/08/2008 10:39:01 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: ilgipper

We do not need to worry about who is running in 2112

Well, I certainly won’t but maybe my grandkids grandkids will..however, 2012 is a different story..:)


25 posted on 12/08/2008 10:39:29 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (A democrat will break your leg, then hand you a crutch and take credit for your being able to walk.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

No one should prosper, instead all should suffer equally.


26 posted on 12/08/2008 10:40:53 AM PST by CSM (IÂ’m jubilant! Now that the Dems are completely in charge, we can FINALLY blame THEM for everything!)
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To: massgopguy

Yeah, especailly when they all have Orwellian doublespeak feel-good names.


27 posted on 12/08/2008 10:40:57 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: Mr_Peter
That's true if you are a monopoly.

Correct. Unfortunately, the big 3 aren't a monopoly (more correctly, and oligopoly) any more, and won't ever be again.

28 posted on 12/08/2008 10:41:38 AM PST by curiosity
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Jonathan Cutler

What does a "Professor of Sociology" know about building vehicles or anything else for that matter?!

29 posted on 12/08/2008 10:42:03 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Da Coyote

Those who can’t write, write newz.


30 posted on 12/08/2008 10:43:21 AM PST by omega4179 (Pardon Ramos and Compean !! Hello Jorge...Paging Jorge Arbusta.)
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To: Red Badger

“Unlike “The Big 3”, Toyota, Honda, BMW, Mercedes, Nissan, KIA and Hyundai can all pack up and go home and take those jobs to people who’ll appreciate them”

And that’s exactly what they will do. Also unlike the “Big 3” these transplants know the value of a profitable business plan, and that leaves no room for UAW occupied plants.


31 posted on 12/08/2008 10:43:41 AM PST by henkster (It's time for a conservative "long march through the institutions.")
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To: 5thGenTexan

It’s “For the children”.


32 posted on 12/08/2008 10:44:41 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: ilgipper

“We do not need to worry about who is running in 2112.”

I know I’m not worried about who is running then, at least not until the messiah is inaugerated and implements a health plan that greatly increases my longevity.


33 posted on 12/08/2008 10:45:10 AM PST by CSM (IÂ’m jubilant! Now that the Dems are completely in charge, we can FINALLY blame THEM for everything!)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

No, destroying the non-union plants is not going to help. But, a trade policy that allows our cars to compete on an even playing field in Japan might help.


34 posted on 12/08/2008 10:45:13 AM PST by Binghamton_native
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To: GeorgiaDawg32; All; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; tubebender; Marine_Uncle; ...
Related FR Thread:

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35 posted on 12/08/2008 10:45:21 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: ilgipper
We do not need to worry about who is running in 2112.

The Priests of the Temples of Syrinx? :^)

36 posted on 12/08/2008 10:46:21 AM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: Harley
Jonathan Cutler is your typical reporter, writes his story without doing any research or fact checking.

Look at his byline. The sad thing is he's a sociology professor at a relatively prestigeous liberal arts college and a proported expert in unions.

37 posted on 12/08/2008 10:46:22 AM PST by curiosity
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To: WayneS

Can we vote for “a” and “b”?


38 posted on 12/08/2008 10:47:23 AM PST by We Dare Defend Our Rights
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To: kcvl

Damn good question....likely he is anti-capitalism...


39 posted on 12/08/2008 10:48:20 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Bingo. I KNEW that was coming. I expect Congress will be pushing legislation that will make “right to work” states a thing of the past. That will pretty much guarantee there won’t be a manufacturing job left in the entire US.


40 posted on 12/08/2008 10:48:35 AM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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