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Gang terror in suburbs
Manchester Evening News ^ | 10/12/2008 | Paul Britton

Posted on 12/10/2008 8:56:24 AM PST by george76

GANGS of violent armed robbers are bringing terror to Manchester's suburbs. Raiders carrying frightening weapons have struck twice at homes in north Manchester this week.

Police sources said there had been around five other attacks in recent months.

In the latest incident three masked thugs, armed with a pickaxe, an axe, and a baseball bat, burst into a couple's home ...and demanded cash.

A 61-year-old man was struck in the back with the axe blade after his wife, also 61, was attacked in the kitchen as she dialled 999. It is the second time that the couple have been attacked in the last seven months.

there has been a spate of similar robberies in the area recently...

the woman was in the kitchen when the three men kicked their way in through the front door ... She managed to activate a panic alarm despite one of the robbers trying to smash it with the bat. She then tried to dial 999 but the robber grabbed the phone out of her hand and shoved her to the ground.

She managed to get her mobile and call police after running into the back garden. Her husband, who was upstairs at the time, was confronted by the axeman on the stairs. It is believed that he wrestled with the robber before he was struck.

The gang fled with a small amount of cash.

"We continue to ask residents to remain vigilant."

(Excerpt) Read more at manchestereveningnews.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; gunfreezone; gunfreezones; secondamendment
Ban all an axes, and baseball bats...

/s .

1 posted on 12/10/2008 8:56:25 AM PST by george76
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To: george76

Well they have gun control and knife control in England. Unfortunately they don’t want to have thug control.


2 posted on 12/10/2008 8:57:55 AM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: george76

The droogs have arrived.


3 posted on 12/10/2008 8:59:28 AM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: george76
"We continue to ask residents to remain vigilant."

Unarmed vigilance helps ... how? Dialing 9-9-9 didn't do much for the woman in this story or for her husband.

It's a good thing that our country has the Second Amendment - for now. Perhaps the Brits should try it: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." They might get it right and skip the explanatory clause to avoid confusing those who oppose freedom.

Never bring a telephone to an axe fight.

4 posted on 12/10/2008 9:00:14 AM PST by MathDoc (War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Obama is Good.)
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To: george76

don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.....


5 posted on 12/10/2008 9:00:27 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: george76

“We continue to ask residents to remain vigilant.”.....

Yeah!.....vigilance should save their collective butts!


6 posted on 12/10/2008 9:02:41 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: george76

Clockwork Orange, calling insane Britain, come in please...


7 posted on 12/10/2008 9:04:52 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: george76

The way to eliminate the use of axes, pickaxes and baseball bats in crime is to allow the homeowners to have some sort of hand-held device that emits a small projectile made of steel and lead, aimed at the chest or head of the attacker; the projectile being capable of reaching the attacker’s body within just a moment prior to the attacker’s weapon being raised in threat.

Baseball bats in England? Supposed to be cricket bats, aren’t they?


8 posted on 12/10/2008 9:07:43 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789

Maybe if we install some more cameras.

And besides, with socialized medicine, you can go to get medical care for those wounds, if you survive.

Would you like to learn how to defend yourself against a man attacking with a banana?


9 posted on 12/10/2008 9:12:06 AM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: george76
Do not be alarmed, good citizens.

Should anything untoward occur, simply call 999 and a member of Her Majesty's Constabulary will arrive to assist you in due course. You can rest assured that there is no need to panic nor attempt to thwart criminal activity unaided for the police constable will see to it that any miscreants are speedily apprehended.

Rule Britannia!!

10 posted on 12/10/2008 9:14:37 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future"- Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: george76

A young lady friend of mine who used to live in Brighton carried a .38 double barrel Derringer for her commute back and forth to London and tells me the one time some ‘yob’ tried to assault her he literally peed himself when she put the Derringer in his face. She didn’t even fire it and the thug apparently never reported it to the constabulary. The UK needs to repeal their asinine gun bans and let law abiding people arm themselves.


11 posted on 12/10/2008 9:16:50 AM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember the 26th of November.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead; Aussie Dasher; UKrepublican

Life in Great Britain seems to be getting worse every day.


12 posted on 12/10/2008 9:19:12 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: george76
A teacher in my school was jumped outside his classroom door two days ago, after school. He'd gotten into a confrontation with a female student earlier in the day and had written her conduct up for administrative disciplinary action. She apparently went home and came back later. With family. One sheeple utterly destroyed and in fear for his life, suffering from multiple skull fractures and a jaw broken in two places.

The thing that really makes me mad is that this happened within earshot of my room. I normally stay late to grade papers. But I wasn't in the building on Monday. I was getting some tests done for my upcoming bariatric surgery. The sole SHEEPDOG on the floor and I took the day off when the sheep really needed me. I feel bad. I've been a teacher for 20 years, the last twelve in the inner city, split between two schools: Bad and worse, where I am now. In all that time, I've never even come close to this poor guys situation. My students know that I'll respond with a lot of training and life experience. Happened once about five years ago in the other school. When I left that school, the kids over there called their homies over here and warned 'em not to mess with me. Said they'd get burned. B-A-D. The thugs treat me with respect and I mostly ignore them. But I wish I'd been here to protect that sheep. He's now scarred for life both physically and emotionally. That kind of trauma should belong to the wolves who attacked him.

13 posted on 12/10/2008 9:22:13 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: george76

Be not afraid of any man, no matter what his size.
When danger threatens, call on me, and I will equalize.

This was engraved on the trigger guard of Cold revolvers for years.


14 posted on 12/10/2008 9:22:40 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: george76

The thugs should have died at the scene, shot to death by their intended victims. Too bad the victims in this case had lost their right to the effective defense of themselves and their home. One hundred years ago it could have been a much different story.


15 posted on 12/10/2008 9:23:34 AM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Life in Great Britain seems to be getting worse every day.

It MAY have been Great at one time, but now it is decidedly MEDIOCRE Britain now - a virtual Nanny/Police-State where all law-abiding citizens are tightly controlled, and thugs and Islamists are given free reign.

I would not live there (and likely, will never visit there again) because I do not trust ANY government that does not trust it's law-abiding citizens with guns and the right to self defense.

16 posted on 12/10/2008 9:25:23 AM PST by DocH (Hussein Obama: Leader of an America-Hating Socialist /Black Nationalist Sleeper Cell)
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To: MahatmaGandu

How long ago was this?


17 posted on 12/10/2008 9:33:55 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: weegee

If they wanted, they could have had a shotgun in their home to protect them from violent burglars....


18 posted on 12/10/2008 9:35:18 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: george76

Probably just disgruntled Manchester City fans.


19 posted on 12/10/2008 9:36:00 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: george76

I would expect that the husband will be charged with assault for resisting the “axeman”.

No mention if these were “asian yoots”. Manchester has a large population of mudslimes.


20 posted on 12/10/2008 9:42:37 AM PST by 43north (11.04.08: the day America committed voluntary suicide)
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To: george76
English Civil Defense:

U.S. Civil Defense:

Don't let Obama make us like England, cowering before crime.

21 posted on 12/10/2008 9:50:59 AM PST by pabianice
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To: george76

Maybe if Britain bans guns again,it will stop all this crime. Because we all know that guns cause crime.


22 posted on 12/10/2008 9:52:14 AM PST by 4yearlurker (I'm shoveling snow instead of raking leaves. Global warming my A$$!)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

It would have to be 2004 before Christie moved home. I recall it was just a few months before she left.


23 posted on 12/10/2008 10:00:34 AM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember the 26th of November.)
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To: MahatmaGandu

Just out of curiosity, did she smuggle it in or did she have contacts in the UK that she got it off? I’ve always thought it was quite difficult to get an illegal gun in the UK unless you knew some serious criminal players in the underworld....


24 posted on 12/10/2008 10:16:37 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Reply in pm.


25 posted on 12/10/2008 10:24:35 AM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember the 26th of November.)
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To: george76
In the latest incident three masked thugs, armed with a pickaxe, an axe, and a baseball bat, burst into a couple's home ...and demanded cash.

It's fortunate that all guns are banned, otherwise there'd be real violence. /sarc

26 posted on 12/10/2008 10:33:15 AM PST by wbill
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To: weegee
I'm actually shocked Britain didn't go in for knife control a total ban on knives back in the fall of 1888 when Jack The Ripper was carving his way across London....


27 posted on 12/10/2008 10:52:14 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

God created man....Sam Colt made ‘em equal.


28 posted on 12/10/2008 10:56:12 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: pabianice
"Don't let Obama make us like England....."


He already plans to do that in foreign affairs.....


29 posted on 12/10/2008 10:59:19 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

There was an English farmer that used a shotgun inside his home defending himself from a group of similar violent burglars. He shot one or two of them (not sure if they died or not). The farmer got sent to prison. It’s nuts!


30 posted on 12/10/2008 11:03:13 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Here’s the event I was talking about. Other headlines indicated that the use of a firearm in self defense is not okay in England!

In 1999, Tony Martin, a 55-year-old Norfolk farmer living alone in a shabby farmhouse, awakened to the sound of breaking glass as two burglars, both with long criminal records, burst into his home. He had been robbed six times before, and his village, like 70 percent of rural English communities, had no police presence.

He sneaked downstairs with a shotgun and shot at the intruders. Martin received life in prison for killing one burglar, 10 years for wounding the second, and a year for having an unregistered shotgun. The wounded burglar, having served 18 months of a three- year sentence, is now free and has been granted £5,000 of legal assistance to sue Martin.


31 posted on 12/10/2008 11:07:52 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

Well, there was a difference there, Tony Martin shot them from behind as they were trying to flee empty-handed. I can guarantee you that if this elderly couple had shot an axe-wielding burglar in their living room, they wouldn’t have been charged, and there certainly wouldn’t have been a jury in the land that would have convicted them.....


32 posted on 12/10/2008 11:09:34 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: 21twelve

Opps. Put away the shotgun and use a cap gun to scare them away in England and your are STILL in trouble!:

In 1994, an English homeowner, armed with a toy gun, managed to detain two burglars who had broken into his house while he called the police. When the officers arrived, they arrested the homeowner for using an imitation gun to threaten or intimidate.

In a similar incident the following year, when an elderly woman fired a toy cap pistol to drive off a group of youths who were threatening her, she was arrested for putting someone in fear. Now the police are pressing Parliament to make imitation guns illegal.


33 posted on 12/10/2008 11:11:11 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

Opps. Put away the shotgun and use a cap gun to scare them away in England and your are STILL in trouble!:

In 1994, an English homeowner, armed with a toy gun, managed to detain two burglars who had broken into his house while he called the police. When the officers arrived, they arrested the homeowner for using an imitation gun to threaten or intimidate.

In a similar incident the following year, when an elderly woman fired a toy cap pistol to drive off a group of youths who were threatening her, she was arrested for putting someone in fear. Now the police are pressing Parliament to make imitation guns illegal.


34 posted on 12/10/2008 11:11:13 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

And the legal action against martin by the surviving burglar was quite rightly thrown uncermoniously out of court by an incredulous judge....


35 posted on 12/10/2008 11:11:21 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: MahatmaGandu

Well, as the saying goes, better to be judged by 6 than carried by 12...


36 posted on 12/10/2008 11:12:48 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: george76
I don't understand, isn't this the land of gun control – where the criminals don't have to worry about people exercising the right to defend themselves? /Sarc Consider that Maximum security prisons are the most secure places on the planet, with convicts closely watched and guarded and yet they still manage to make weapons – knives, clubs, etc. Shouldn't that demonstrate the shear fallacy of trying to rid the world of weapons?
37 posted on 12/10/2008 11:13:35 AM PST by SJRebel (The listing ..of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny... others retained by the people(9))
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

I hadn’t heard that - good! Not that it matters much to Mr. Martin I suppose if he is still in prison. Or perhaps some reasonable judge could suspend his sentence?


38 posted on 12/10/2008 11:14:03 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: george76

A shotgun usually ends this kind of disturbance, in my experience.


39 posted on 12/10/2008 11:15:14 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: 21twelve

He’s been out of prison for a while, his offence was reduced to manslaughter and he was released after serving 3 years of a 5 year sentence. I think that was a fair and reasonable sentence balancing the fact that he had been targetted for burglaries before, and they were burglars, with the fact that they were running away and he no longer had the self-defence justification neccessary to gun them down without consequence...


40 posted on 12/10/2008 11:19:45 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Well, there was a difference there, Tony Martin shot them from behind as they were trying to flee empty-handed.

Obviously you've never been burglarized.

Personally, I'll never forget the day I came home with my five year old to have her say, "Daddy ! What happened to our house ?"

What had happened was that SCUM had gotten in and stolen anything not nailed down. When I thought of how many years of my life had been spent working to earn the money to buy those things, I knew the SCUM had literally stolen part of my life. Not to mention the irreplaceable items, like my grandfather's watch.

Ain't gonna happen again. I won't just shoot 'em while they're fleeing. If it was like Tony Martin's case, I could chase them down the street and blow them away in the road. It's perfectly legal here in Houston. And they damn well deserve it.

41 posted on 12/10/2008 2:24:32 PM PST by jimt
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To: jimt

My Aunt and my cousins have been burgled, they came in through my 6-year old (at the time) cousin’s bedroom window. I would have absolutely no problem with a householder killing a burglar who is there in the house, large as life, posing a threat to them and their family. I have no problem with a householder using physical violence to stop the feckless little s**ts from running away with their stuff, but I absolutely draw the line (as do most people) at taking it upon yourself to summararily execute a burglar who is A) empty handed and B) is clearly and obviously out of your house and fleeing in the opposite direction to you. That is why Tony Martin rightly served some time in prison for what he did.
If what Tony Martin did is OK with you, you may as well support extending the death penalty to all crimes, or even give every policeman the right to terminate each and every suspect they happen across with extreme prejudice...


42 posted on 12/10/2008 2:44:46 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Based on this story and others like it, my advice to Britons and to Europeans generally would be to arm yourselves via whatever means was possible. You’ve basically been sold out by your political systems and ruling classes and nobody is ever going to take you or your interests including vital interests such as personal safety seriously again until you ARE armed. Starting from England or Western Europe, the nearest source of significant small arms at good prices is Russia, either Izhevsk or www.russarm.ru on the internet.


43 posted on 12/11/2008 4:58:11 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

LOL, if I was seen with an illegal gun on my person in public I’d end up with about a dozen ARU bobbies pointing MP5’s in my face, followed by a minimum prison sentence of 5 years for possesion of an illegal firearm, which would also screw up my chosen career path in the legal profession. On balance, my best option is to do what I have been doing for the past three and a half years, and keep training in Jiu Jitsu. The best thing about that is I’m never unarmed......


44 posted on 12/11/2008 5:18:43 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: wendy1946

Although its easy enough to get a shotgun certificate and keep one at home for burglars, but carrying a gun in public is an absolute no-no..


45 posted on 12/11/2008 5:20:19 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: ExSoldier

while its unfortunate that he was ‘defenseless’ that day, there is a reason that you had a Dr appointment...maybe this will be his ‘wake up’ moment, in hindsight...


46 posted on 12/11/2008 5:57:23 AM PST by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

At least from what we read in the states it sounds like owning any sort of a firearm in England is a major deal and using one in self defense in the home is a near certain ticket to prison for the homeowner. Is this picture entirely fictitious or exaggerated beyond recognition somehow or other?


47 posted on 12/11/2008 6:41:51 AM PST by varmintman
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To: varmintman

Getting a shotgun certificate isn’t that hard if you don’t have a criminal record or history of mental illness. I know plenty of people who have them. Rifles (i.e. firearms with a magazine or clip of more than 3 rounds) are a bit more tricky, but if you join a gun club you can get those fairly easily as well.
If you shot an intruder in your own home, as long as he didn’t show signs of being subdued beforehand, its unlikely that you would be charged. Tony Martin was done because, and I cannot emphasise this enough, he shot Fred Barras in the back outside as he was running away. There have been many instances (which aren’t reported by the tabloid press with the same level of enthusiasm for obvious reasons) where burglars have been killed or very badly hurt by householders and no charges have been brought because they had a legitimate reason of self-defence or grounds to fear for their or their family’s safety...


48 posted on 12/11/2008 6:54:15 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
I got married in a Scottish castle and the owner had a shotgun. He had given up his rifle b/c he felt that it was just too much hassle.

I never knew that Tony Martin had shot those guys while they were fleeing. That certainly does change my opinion on the subject.

About 11 years ago, when I was just getting on my feet, my house was burglarized by (I'm 99% sure) my next door neighbors. I missed them by a very narrow window as my roommate had left shortly before I got home (I left work early that day to go fishing). In another twist of fate, I was holding my loaded Glock .45 as I was walking in the pushed-open door. I had spent the night at my girlfriend's house and she lived an hour away.

As enraged as I was at the time, especially with the useless police, as the years have passed, I'm glad I didn't catch them in my house. The likelihood that I would have shot them is very high and I'm glad I don't have to live with that over a VCR and a Playstation.

49 posted on 12/11/2008 3:34:03 PM PST by Rocky Mountain High
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To: Rocky Mountain High

Prior to the shooting he also made comments at a community assembly about how gipsies and criminals should be ‘put in concentration camps and machinegunned’ and he turned his house into a burglar trap. His shotgun certificate had been previously been revoked because he had shot at some kids he caught scrumping apples in his orchard.
He had been burgled on previous occasions, so perhaps some of his anger was understandable, but on the other hand, if you are going to shoot a burglar, its best not to give the impression to everyone whose ever had dealings with you that you are some kind of unhinged homicidal lunatic beforehand. That sort of thing doesn’t sit very well with juries, which is presumably why they originally convicted him of murder. Personally, I’m not convinced at all that he has any sense of remorse or regret about the loss of life he caused as most normal people would, even if it was justified...


50 posted on 12/11/2008 3:59:11 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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