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To: Paisan
They admit it, say “So?” and then move on. The detail is that the birth notice in the Hawaiian newspaper in 1961 indicates that either Obama was born in Hawaii, or that someone in 1961 knew that Obama would WANT to be born in Hawaii circa 2008 and fraudulently entered a birth notice in a Hawaiian newspaper.

Sorry “birthers” Game-Set-Match. Obama was born in Hawaii is the most likely explanation according to all available data. It may not be what you want to believe, but it is most likely the truth.

3 posted on 12/11/2008 8:55:07 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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To: allmendream
Obama was born in Hawaii is the most likely explanation according to all available data.

"Most likely explanation" doesn't cut it. The egregious problem in all of this is that there is a Constitutional requirement laid out and absolutely no way to enforce it.

Regardless of Obama's natural-born citizenship (or lack thereof), the simple fact that there is no recourse to verify this most basic requirement for the Presidency is a scandal in and of itself.

4 posted on 12/11/2008 9:00:34 AM PST by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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To: allmendream
The detail is that the birth notice in the Hawaiian newspaper in 1961 indicates that either Obama was born in Hawaii, or that someone in 1961 knew that Obama would WANT to be born in Hawaii circa 2008 and fraudulently entered a birth notice in a Hawaiian newspaper.

Is it possible that the newspaper archives were "updated" sometime recently?

5 posted on 12/11/2008 9:02:12 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: allmendream
Sorry “birthers” Game-Set-Match. Obama was born in Hawaii is the most likely explanation according to all available data. It may not be what you want to believe, but it is most likely the truth.

That is not the disputed point! His father's citizenship and his mother's ability to transfer citizenship at his birth under then existing laws is the point. So far no evidence has been provided to answer these questions.

7 posted on 12/11/2008 9:04:23 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: allmendream
or that someone in 1961 knew that Obama would WANT to be born in Hawaii circa 2008 and fraudulently entered a birth notice in a Hawaiian newspaper.

Well that explains why the BC is being reserved at enormous legal cost. Apparently a notice of birth in an Hawaiian newspaper is good enough.

I was born in England. However a notice of my birth was also put out in a paper in a foreign port by my proud sea-faring dad. Let's say that port was New York (it wasn't). Can I run for President?

According to you, I can.

11 posted on 12/11/2008 9:11:04 AM PST by agere_contra (So ... where's the birth certificate?)
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To: allmendream

I’m the author of this piece. The reason I didn’t expound on the “So?”, is because I’ve already done it in several other places...and most of you intellectual stair-tumblers just refuse to accept it. No matter what is offered by way of fact or logic, you ignore it, and move on to something else completely debunkable...and when that’s debunked, you return to the beginning and start it all over again. It’s hilarious, at this point. Honestly, laughable. Excerpts, citing 2 separate but entirely possible, viable, simple, and non-conspiratory courses of action that may have occurred - resulting in the posting a birth announcement:

“Additionally, a birth announcement in a newspaper is certainly not indicative of legally binding precedent. It’s entirely likely that if a birth occurred in a foreign country, and his mother returned home and legally registered the foreign birth with the state of Hawaii, the the release to the paper would still exist.”
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-160646

“’Look....if there was any truth to this, it would have meant that Barack’s parents and a Hawaiian newspaper were in on it too. And they were in on it 47 years ago! There’s a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper for crying out loud.’

Okay now this is one of my favorites. So now rather than authenticating citizenship by way of formal, long-form, vault copies of actual Certificates of Live Birth - we are relying on birth announcements in newspapers? Let me ask you something: If you and your wife live in Ohio , but you gave birth while visiting Florida , is there a legal or logical premise that says you’re bound to put that birth announcement in a Floridian newspaper? Or, would you likely send news of the birth back home, to your town-of-residence, where more friends and family would see the good news? If Barack Obama was born outside of the U.S. , there doesn’t have to be a “conspiracy” for his family to have sent word of that birth back to their hometown newspaper.”
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-156768

Now that we got that out of the way...what of the other 4 Commandments of Obama’s Innocence are you going to return to? Dizzying as it may be, now that I’m here, I might as well educate the sliver of your mind that might remain open, as it relates to Obama’s infalibility.


19 posted on 12/11/2008 2:56:41 PM PST by HankRand
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