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It's Alive! (CROWS - common remotely operated weapon stations)
strategypage.com ^ | December 11, 2008 | NA

Posted on 12/13/2008 2:58:30 PM PST by neverdem

The remote control turret changed the battlefield more than you might think.  It all began three years ago, when the U.S. Army realized that new remote control gun turret designs actually worked, and suddenly they could not get enough of them. The army ordered over 9,000 CROWS (common remotely operated weapon stations), but for a while could only get 15 a month. By the end of 2006, there were about a thousand CROWS in service by the end of the year.

The main issue was that the enemy was no longer able to knock out the turret gunner, early in a firefight, and take away a lot of the vehicles firepower. Because of that, once the enemy opens fire, they are in trouble. The remote turret tends to begin delivering accurate fire right away, and is much more immune to enemy fire than a human gunner. If the vehicle is a Stryker, the enemy will soon find themselves dealing with half a dozen or so heavily armed infantry, who get out of the vehicle and come at the ambushers. Iraqis don't like that. They also don't like how some of the CROWS turret equipped vehicles will come after them. All those accurately aimed bullets coming their way, and no enemy soldiers in sight, is demoralizing.

The idea for CROWS has been around for nearly half a century. Years of tinkering, and better technology, eventually made the remote control gun turret effective and dependable. CROWS is a real lifesaver, not to mention anxiety reducer, for troops who drive through bandit country a lot, and have a turret mounted gun (usually in a hummer). The guy manning the turret mounted machine-gun is a target up there, and too often, the bad guys get you. Not with CROWS. The gunner is inside...

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Technical; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; crows; iraq; mohammedanism; stryker; videogames
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IIRC, it dates at least to the antiaircraft armament on the B29 bomber in World War II.

It's excerpted because I can't capture the links in the fourth and fifth paragraphs when I copied the text from the source code.

1 posted on 12/13/2008 2:58:30 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
"FREEZE!"


2 posted on 12/13/2008 3:01:42 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: neverdem

The accuracy of the fire, and uncanny speed with which the CROWS gun moves so quickly and deliberately, is due to something few officers expected. The guys operating these systems grew up playing video games. They developed skills in operating systems (video games) very similar to the CROWS controls. This was important, because viewing the world around the vehicle via a vidcam is not as enlightening (although a lot safer) than having your head and chest exposed to the elements, and any firepower the enemy sends your way. But experienced video gamers are skilled at whipping that screen view around, and picking up any signs of danger. Iraqis are amazed at how observant CROWS is. Iraqis tend to just wrote this off as another example of American “magic.”

Many Iraqis, especially the bad guys, get distressed while watching a CROWS turret being exercised by some video game addict inside the vehicle. That’s because the most noticeable part of CROWS, as it swivels and “looks” around, is the machine-gun. Many Iraqis don’t even recognize the vidcam and other sensors. They think the machine-gun is, well, sort of R2D2 with a bad attitude and a license to kill.


3 posted on 12/13/2008 3:02:55 PM PST by Joiseydude (Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel,)
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To: neverdem
It would look SO good mounted on the stoatmobile....   "sigh"

 


4 posted on 12/13/2008 3:05:34 PM PST by Stoat (Palin / Coulter 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Stoat

The cure for urban traffic jams.


5 posted on 12/13/2008 3:06:41 PM PST by Joiseydude (Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel,)
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To: Joiseydude
"The cure for urban traffic jams."

And crowded parking lots.

6 posted on 12/13/2008 3:09:40 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: Joiseydude
The cure for urban traffic jams.

Indeed, and car-jackers might consider picking a different victim.

7 posted on 12/13/2008 3:10:18 PM PST by Stoat (Palin / Coulter 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Stoat

How can it be that the vehicles are all covered in mud but not the CROWS?


8 posted on 12/13/2008 3:11:50 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: xcamel; Stoat

Thanks for the pic.


9 posted on 12/13/2008 3:11:56 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Don’t you know? You always keep your weapon clean! And that includes your gun!


10 posted on 12/13/2008 3:16:39 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Stoat

wicked pic, stoat.


11 posted on 12/13/2008 3:17:17 PM PST by max americana
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
How can it be that the vehicles are all covered in mud but not the CROWS?

Your eye for detail is impressive  :-)

Perhaps it has to do with the "American Magic" that the article refers to?

Quite a good question....they do look magnificently clean, don't they?

12 posted on 12/13/2008 3:19:01 PM PST by Stoat (Palin / Coulter 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: xcamel

Looks like the ammo tray/belt is pretty exposed. Is this the way the operational unit is rigged?


13 posted on 12/13/2008 3:20:01 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ($750 billion is nothing - surrender your children, wealth and gold fillings now to avoid the rush.)
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To: neverdem
A CROWS with one of these mounted in it

should be the right medicine for raghead terrorists -- and bass-thumpin' dummycars... '-)

14 posted on 12/13/2008 3:23:30 PM PST by TXnMA (Chief Justice: "To administer this oath would violate my oath to uphold the Constitution.")
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To: WorkingClassFilth

You would have to be a pretty good shot to hit that ammo belt at 300 yards... especially with this thing barking at your forehead to the tune of 450 rounds a minute


15 posted on 12/13/2008 3:24:04 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: TXnMA
and bass-thumpin' dummycars

OH YEAH

16 posted on 12/13/2008 3:24:59 PM PST by Joiseydude (Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel,)
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To: xcamel

The most interesting thing about that picture is the way the ammo belt has a kink in it but can still feed into the receiver. I would have thought it would have been designed in such a way that the belt was aligned perpendicular to the weapon.


17 posted on 12/13/2008 3:25:30 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Actually- somebody will correct me if I’m wrong, I think that the ammo belt moves through a protective metal duct, which is what we are seeing here. You could probably dump a bucket of mud over it and it would work fine, less any mud obscuring the video lens.


18 posted on 12/13/2008 3:25:48 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Stoat

The lead vehicle seems to have a MK19 grenade launcher on the CROWS. That’s even cooler than the .50, I think.


19 posted on 12/13/2008 3:27:14 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Joiseydude; archy; Squantos; Travis McGee; Lion Den Dan

>> [Iraqis] think the machine-gun is, well, sort of R2D2 with a bad attitude and a license to kill.

Classic! I love it!

I’ll do a treadhead and Stryker ping later if no one beats me to it, have to run to see the godchild in The Nutcracker for now.


20 posted on 12/13/2008 3:27:41 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: FreedomPoster

I’m sure that C3PO will be noticeably less abusive in the future.


21 posted on 12/13/2008 3:30:16 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: neverdem

bump!


22 posted on 12/13/2008 3:31:09 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: xcamel

Pretty neat to think that the machine gun shown is pushing 90 years old.John Browning was a genius.


23 posted on 12/13/2008 3:31:18 PM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

“How can it be that the vehicles are all covered in mud but not the CROWS?”

Evasive maneuvers. (that’s still classified. don’t tell anyone)


24 posted on 12/13/2008 3:45:53 PM PST by stompk
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To: ccmay

MK19 CROWS were deployed after the Ma-Deuce versions.

First Ma-Deuce/CROWS went to MPs, then SF, then general mechinfantry.

If you’d like to play with one of these or both, download and learn to play America’s Army Online. See www.americasarmy.com. You’ll have to pass Special Forces training then get certified on the CROWS.

Way cool.

Meet me on line — I am Tot4l.nOOb in America’s Army. This is a great time-waster on endless design review calls ;-)


25 posted on 12/13/2008 3:47:31 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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26 posted on 12/13/2008 3:56:00 PM PST by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
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To: xcamel

That M2 sure looks like it should. Serious.


27 posted on 12/13/2008 3:59:38 PM PST by skeeter
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To: TXnMA

They have em....M134DT’s versus the old style GAU2B’s etc .....twin 4400 ammo chutes are available yet all I have ever seen are single 4400 round chutes. GE gave up the ghost to Dillon....Blue Press Dillon. He redesigned the mini-gun so it can be cleared easily by the gunner versus the old GAU 2B that had to be taken apart to clear . M134D is standard and the M134DT version is lightweight for aircraft use.

Damn fine tool for the American arsenal.....


28 posted on 12/13/2008 4:01:34 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: neverdem
We are getting many more than 15 a month, now that Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace plants in Norway and Pennsylvania are supplementing Recon Optical's plant in Illinois.

Of course, if we are looking at raw firepower, the Rafael Samson Remote Controlled Weapons Station seems king of the hil with a 30mm cannon, SPIKE ant-tank missile launcher, and smoke grenades.

29 posted on 12/13/2008 4:08:02 PM PST by rmlew (The loyal opposition to a regime dedicated to overthrowing the Constitution are accomplices.)
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To: neverdem
I remember kids in Iraq throwing rocks at convoys. Looking at this, I'm thinking a kid with spray paint could take one out! Or a suicide paint gunner.

Our guys hate to shoot kids.

30 posted on 12/13/2008 4:09:13 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: Blueflag; Jarhead2844; USMCWriter; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; ...

Bump and a Ping


31 posted on 12/13/2008 4:11:28 PM PST by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: MrPiper

They’d have to get awful close and climb on top of the vehicle to use spray paint, and for a paintball gun, he’d have to take out mulitple sensors at once - there’s not just the one camera! And they all have protective lenses.


32 posted on 12/13/2008 4:16:57 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: TXnMA

I’d stick with the 50 Cal currently installed.


33 posted on 12/13/2008 4:19:41 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: freema

Can I have one?


34 posted on 12/13/2008 4:21:43 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Farmer Dean

50 Cals rock!

I still have a small scar (over 30 years later) from head space and timing. LOL


35 posted on 12/13/2008 4:35:48 PM PST by papasmurf (Impeach the illegal bastard!)
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To: snippy_about_it

36 posted on 12/13/2008 4:38:46 PM PST by papasmurf (Impeach the illegal bastard!)
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To: MrEdd
Little known fact. I am a certified elf. I'll put in a good word for you. You have been good, haven't you? If you need to confess anything, now's the time!
37 posted on 12/13/2008 4:51:14 PM PST by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: neverdem

Two questions.

Is it stabilized?

How vulnerable to small arms fire is all the whizbang gizmos?

If all it takes is one bullet in the right place to disable it, how is that any different than killing the gunner?


38 posted on 12/13/2008 4:57:01 PM PST by Tailback
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To: freema
You're an elf!!!

Hey wait a minute....are you this elf ?

39 posted on 12/13/2008 4:57:54 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Tailback
If all it takes is one bullet in the right place to disable it, how is that any different than killing the gunner?

The vulnerable areas are smaller, and easier to replace than a gunner.

I'd like to see them deployed on fully remote-controlled vehicles. Let the unmanned vehicles take point.

40 posted on 12/13/2008 5:06:39 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (We used to institutionalize the insane. Now we elect them.)
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To: Squantos; archy
Is the CROWS a jamamatic? And who goes out to clear jams? I'd take the 40/50 mount on the ASV, you can reload from behind armor without "going outside" when the sierra is flying both ways.

A 50 caliber Ma Deuce next to an M19 40mm belt fed automatic grenade launcher, YEAH!

63MPH, drives away from 12 pound mines under the wheels, and survives RPGs. Plus, a 249 SAWs on a pintle mount for "backstratching" other ASVs, and taking care of pests.

Along with the Stryker it is the vehicle everybody wants in the sandbox, being about ten times more survivable than an uparmored hummer.

A CROWs mount is nice, when it works, as long as nobody is shooting when you have to reload it! And mounted on a hummer, you're still in a hummer!


41 posted on 12/13/2008 5:07:20 PM PST by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: xcamel

What happens to a Ma Deuce if you try to shoot 450 rounds in a minute?

Better put on your asbestos suit!


42 posted on 12/13/2008 5:11:25 PM PST by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: Tailback
If all it takes is one bullet in the right place to disable it, how is that any different than killing the gunner?

Well, I'm sure it's a whole lot different for the gunner...

43 posted on 12/13/2008 5:12:09 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Joiseydude; xcamel

41, for your consideration.


44 posted on 12/13/2008 5:12:38 PM PST by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: Travis McGee

Man I have some baaaad memmories in a older V100 caddy gage that looks just like that........you say that will stand up to a PG7 ??


45 posted on 12/13/2008 5:12:44 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

So far they have. Check out this IED on an ASV video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTXrN5hfrdo

Other cool ASV videos. The troops love em, that’s what counts. The Army ordered like 100, saw how great they were for modern low intensity/counterinsurgency, and put in a rush order for like 800 more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-shd3kn_8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvLFwwjTa9w


46 posted on 12/13/2008 5:19:16 PM PST by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: snippy_about_it

Many Tanks!


47 posted on 12/13/2008 5:20:59 PM PST by Matthew James (SPEARHEAD!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Well, I'm sure it's a whole lot different for the gunner...

Very true, but either way you have a main weapons system that's combat ineffective.
48 posted on 12/13/2008 5:21:29 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Tailback

And if a CROWs is mounted on top of a hummer, you’re still only in a hummer, not the most survivable gun platform, that’s for sure.


49 posted on 12/13/2008 5:26:52 PM PST by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: xcamel

Only thing that even looks vulnerable on that weapon system is the optics panel just underneath the barrel.


50 posted on 12/13/2008 5:35:59 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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