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Ford/UAW Contract, 2,215 pages, 22 Pounds of UAW Rules and Regulations
Laborpains.org ^ | December 12th, 2008 | unknows

Posted on 12/13/2008 4:11:17 PM PST by Leisler

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To: Leisler

and does anyone wonder why the Auto Industry is in dire straights?


21 posted on 12/13/2008 4:42:24 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Spktyr

Uhhh what?! I really want to know how Dahmer fits in this equation?


22 posted on 12/13/2008 4:44:32 PM PST by Tempest (Obama is not my president.)
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To: Texas Eagle

:)
lol
Thanks for the booh tip.


23 posted on 12/13/2008 4:45:01 PM PST by mowowie
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To: Texas Eagle

K


24 posted on 12/13/2008 4:45:26 PM PST by mowowie
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To: SandRat

Executive pay, poor management, too much middle management, effieceency experts, poor product line, no Taco Tuesdays, dog ate homework?


25 posted on 12/13/2008 4:47:17 PM PST by Tempest (Obama is not my president.)
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To: Leisler

Is this what they did to Hank Reardon’s company?


26 posted on 12/13/2008 4:48:37 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: Tempest

You said that execs sometimes work a year and then get millions, implying that that makes it okay for the UAW to extort what they do and not work for their pay.

Dahmer killed people for years, does that mean that it’s okay for you to kill people as well? Same logic.


27 posted on 12/13/2008 4:51:54 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Leisler

I’ll support the parts the actual union members have actually read.....


28 posted on 12/13/2008 4:52:32 PM PST by bpjam (GOP is 3 - 0 in elections after Nov 4th. You Can Smell the Rally !!!)
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To: SandRat

I’m reading through some of this now... how the HELL does Ford even make a single car with all this crap???


29 posted on 12/13/2008 4:52:51 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: fanfan

It’s what all Unions do.


30 posted on 12/13/2008 4:57:07 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Spktyr

It’s not even close to the same logic, since corporate execs haven’t been made to pay for their crimes, unlike Dahmer. But we want chastize union employees without having a fair and critical discussio about the compensation in which the execs recieve???

That’s logic???


31 posted on 12/13/2008 4:57:36 PM PST by Tempest (Obama is not my president.)
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To: Leisler

over at another union place—the u.s. post office,

there was a union steward standing behind the long customer line observing the service.

one whole full time employee. whatta waste.

meanwhile, both stamp machines were out of order.


32 posted on 12/13/2008 4:58:18 PM PST by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: mowowie
Although it probably feels like a 3 ft pile by the time you get done reading them, federal government rules are quite concise compared to this contract.

The GM contract involves fewer than 1/4 million employees, and NO CUSTOMERS. OSHA rules, which are fairly repetitive as you move from safety are to safety area (such areas being defined by their different technologies) probably impact nearly 200,000,000 people.

I note that for OSHA rules simply because they put GM's UAW contract into perspective.

One of the more compact sets of rules involve HAZMAT, and for the shipping industry (USPS, UPS, Fed-Ex, Airlines, Trucking, other people on the road, folks who take deliveries) these rules are VITAL. They don't hold a candle to that GM contract, and yet they cover the specific hazards presented by tens of thousands of industrial and/or packaged products.

The rules I wrote were always concise, didn't cover more than was needed, and were readable by members of the general public. That was because I was writing for just under 300,000,000 people who needed to know what could be mailed and how that could be accomplished for a given price. The folks who wrote USPS' international mailing regulations had an audience of 5,000,000,000, and their constraints were even tighter.

Frankly, there's no excuse for something like the GM contract. Someday someone there at UAW or the company will figure out that there are folks in the business of writing rules who know what they are doing and should be consulted.

My fee for redoing the GM contract into a useful document is $5,000,000, and the first executive or union thug who talks back, the price doubles!

33 posted on 12/13/2008 4:59:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tempest

Okay, then how about this one:

Jack the Ripper killed lots of people, does that mean you get to kill people too?


34 posted on 12/13/2008 5:00:23 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: mowowie

35 posted on 12/13/2008 5:00:31 PM PST by Leisler ("Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Democrat forever. " Lenin)
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To: Spktyr

Is your point that, Unions are Jack the Ripper? Or that drugs and internet message boards can produce silly assertions?


36 posted on 12/13/2008 5:03:17 PM PST by Tempest (Obama is not my president.)
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To: Leisler

Is that comic strip pertaining to the deregulation of lending practices?


37 posted on 12/13/2008 5:05:14 PM PST by Tempest (Obama is not my president.)
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To: Tempest

Your assertion is that if someone does something bad, everyone should be allowed to do something bad. I merely took that idea to its logical extremes.

On planet Earth, in consensus reality, that’s not how it works.

By the way, you might want to look into *why* execs started being able to ask for such high dollar figures and golden parachutes - and what changed.


38 posted on 12/13/2008 5:06:04 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: ken21
A "union steward"? I believe you mean "USPS supervisor". His job was to assist in moving the line during a busy period.

Still, that's just the lobby ~ hardly the whole building.

Now, about "out of order" vending machines ~ they are filled with accountable stock. Not just anyone is allowed to open those machines up and fix them. One of the hazards of operating vending machines with tens of thousands of dollars of saleable items in them ~ uh, what that means is that those aren't candy bars in there, so USPS controls access to the machines closely.

39 posted on 12/13/2008 5:06:46 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

ok, boss.


40 posted on 12/13/2008 5:08:11 PM PST by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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