Skip to comments.Political Scientist Says Electoral College Lacks What It Need To Elect Obama To White House
Posted on 12/14/2008 9:57:46 AM PST by BP2
Marblehead, Mass. (PRWEB) December 11, 2008 -- Dr. Mary Maxwell, political scientist, said today: "Obama's silence about his citizenship is indefensible and unworkable. Next Monday, the 538 members of the Electoral college meet and they are at risk, themselves, of violating state election laws if they participate in a fraud."
"If a presidential candidate's claim that he meets the requirements are later found to be false," Maxwell said,"one or more of the 50 states could bring charges against him. But that would be a terrible thing if it comes after Inauguration Day. It would be better if a state would apply its law stringently as early as possible For example, the Election Commission of Alabama has authority to cite for contempt (http://law.justia.com/alabama/codes/16474/17-15-57.html) any person who refuses to deliver, upon subpoena, relevant items."
Maxwell said: "An Obama spokesman has called the eligibility controversy 'garbage,' and wants to keep pertinent records under seal." "Privacy is of great value," Maxwell acknowledged, "but when one signs the form to become a candidate for elective office, one swears, in most states, that one is eligible."
"For a presidential hopeful that means he has attained age 35, has resided here for 14 years,and is a natural-born citizen of the U.S." Maxwell stated, "If voters want proof of a candidate's eligibility -- and thousands have signed petitions and called Congress (http://rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis/) seeking Obama's proof -- it follows that privacy must be sacrificed. How can Electors do their solemn duty of choosing America's executive for the next four years if they are in doubt about his qualification?" she asked.
"I've posted a current case, Keyes v Bowen, at my website (http://www.marymaxwell.us)," said Maxwell. "The plaintiffs are Electors who don't want to vote until they see Obama's documents," she said, "This case is making its way to the Supreme Court, but not in time for Dec.15th." Also, she reported,"there are some are military officers who understandably insist that their Commander in Chief be free of any suspicion of divided loyalties."
"This lays a shockingly heavy burden on Electors' shoulders," Maxwell said. "I believe that Obama's grammar school records, showing his citizenship as 'Indonesian,' are sufficient indication that he has an eligibility problem. So the presumption has to be against him. If Obama feels that is unfair he can simply submit the documents and put an end to the problem, " she said.
"Granted this approach is embarrassing," said Maxwell, "but so what? Don't Immigration officers frequently knock on doors of American residents and say 'Show your passport'?" She observed, "The Constitution protects all congresspersons from arrest on their way to or from their legislative sessions, but no one is immune from the law at other times. That is the core of our great system."
"If we create a cultural habit of exonerating government officials when they do wrong, or look the other way, it will soon be said that rule-of-law no longer works in our society and we need martial law," said Maxwell, "in fact I sniff it in the air now. What nonsense! We have a perfectly workable Constitution. But of course it can't work if the law does not apply to all."
"Failure to deal with Obama's issue is likely to cause an upset on Dec. 15th," said Maxwell. "Since Nov. 4th, the public has been told that the Electors will cast 373 ballots for Obama, and 165 for McCain. Typically, all Electors 'obey' their party but the Constitution does not require them to do so," she noted, "and in a 1992 case, Ray v Blair (http://vlex.com/vid/20012409), the Court ruled that political parties may give direction but they did not say the Elector is thus coerced."
"It is amazing to realize that if Obama drops out, the Electors are not obliged to choose his running mate, Joe Biden, or the next-best from the Democrat's summer convention, Hillary Clinton," Maxwell said. They can even choose someone that ran in a third party, such as Bob Barr or Cynthia McKinney." She remarked, "Indeed they are free to elect a citizen who never campaigned."
"Happily, panic need not occur if no individual gets a majority on Dec. 15th," Maxwell stated. "As usual, the Founding Fathers foresaw that outcome, and arranged for the House of Representatives to choose the president from the three highest on the Elector's list," she said. "and they would vote as states, with each state having one vote. The National Archives website (http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#270) says that would occur on Jan. 8th, 2009."
[338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
If we really wanted to shake the hornets nest we could file suits against every one of those electors if they go through with it.
messiahs don't lie.
According to a LA Times writer he is an "attuned being", "a lightworker".
The question is, was he even born or was he a gift to heal our world from above ?
< / sarcasm >
Obama is a Typical Illinois politician, so the American people should leave nothing to chance and should question everything about this guy.
Outstanding post. Thank you.
I’ll bttt this.
Obama/Dunham marriage license Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license Not released
Soetoro adoption records Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application Not Released
Punahou School records Not released
Selective Service Registration Released - Proven Counterfeit
Occidental College records Not released
Passport (Pakistan) Not released
Columbia College records Not released
Columbia thesis Not released
Harvard College records Not released
Harvard Law Review articles None (maybe 1, Not Signed)
Baptism certificate None
Medical records Not released
Illinois State Senate records None (Locked up to prohibit public view
Illinois State Senate schedule Lost (All other Illinois state senators records are intact)
Law practice client list Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles None
Neither metaphorically nor literally.
In a year the press will turn on him, or he will turn on them.
What happens after that is anyone’s guess.
Missouri for example?
And lets suppose he wasn't a citizen and knew it. He wouldn't have registered for the draft and he might have attended three universities as a foreign exchange student.
Never has someone come so far without leaving a single footprint.
What are the credentials on Mary Maxwell?...Thanks :)
Correct....Can a list of the electors be published and contact Infor.....or are them kept insulated?
.Obama is just the end result of the problem, the root cause of the problem needs to be attacked-—and that is the electors themselves and thier apathy to the Constituional question at hand.
I realize all the cases are being pushed at SCOTUS, but it is really a state court issue-—problem is the time element.
Obama has been declared fully eligible by the weight of public and media opinion. No one with the power to stop him is going to stand in front of that freight train.
However, despite this written notice on the form, some Hawaii state agencies do not accept the Certification of Live Birth as irrefutable verification of Hawaiian birth. There have been numerous cases when the Hawaii Family Court System required more detailed data for paternity suits. Additionally, the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands provides the following guidelines to Hawaiian natives applying for Hawaiian Home Lands homestead:
The primary documents used to show you are of age and a qualified native Hawaiian are:
- A certified copy of Certificate of Birth;
- A certified copy of Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, including testimonies; or
- A certified copy of Certificate of Delayed Birth.
In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL. (emphasis added)
Additionally, the Certification of Live Birth is not recognized by many Federal agencies. DoD 5220.22-M, the "National Industrial Security Program Operating Manual," provides baseline standards for the protection of classified information released or disclosed to industry. Unified Facilities Guide Specifications, section 22.214.171.124 allows for a total of 18 different means to verify US citizenship, ranging from a military ID card to even a Hawaii certificate of foreign birth. The Certification of Live Birth is not on the list of approved documents acceptable for proof of Citizenship.
No, "them" are not kept insulated (or isolated.)
“If we really wanted to shake the hornets nest we could file suits against every one of those electors if they go through with it.”
let me know when there is a fund to contribute to.
“when one signs the form to become a candidate...”
I’ve mentioned this on previous threads.
He was APPLYING to be a candidate. As such, he is obligated to be able to prove ALL RELEVANT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE POSITION!!!!
“Obama’s silence about his citizenship is indefensible”
Now if only the Supreme Court would say that.
Yeah, people are working the chronology backyards, looking to see who backed Obama when he became a Illinois state senator.
Many of those same people are tied to Blago...
Thanks for the post. Dr. Mary Maxwell lays out the information carefully and impartially. It’s a high quality article. She really knows her stuff. I bookmarked it.
Conservatives are beginning to get a reputation of being sore losers. Could this sore loser reputation be a problem for us in the future?
Could being spineless be a problem for you when trying to stand up?
Mary Maxwell home site
list of electors from 1 state toward bottom
must be avail. for every state on net
And the Main Stream Incompetent Media continues there defense of Obama... could we make Obama an "honorary Republican" for a day so they would demand he show proof of his elegibility? Just a thought...
Although from West Virginia, Hawaii’s process for getting a “Certificate of Delayed Birth” is virtually identical:
What is a Delayed Certificate of Birth?
If a birth isn’t registered with Vital Registration within the one year, then a normal certificate may not be filed for that birth. Instead a special type of birth certificate is placed on file. This type of certificate not only shows the facts of birth for the child but also shows the types of evidence presented to Vital Registration to back up the facts of birth. The facts of birth are
The Full Name of the Person at the Time of Birth
Date of birth
Place of Birth (City and State)
Mother’s Full Maiden Name
Mother’s Place of Birth (at least State or country)
Full Name of the Father
Father’s Place of Birth (at least State or country)
Note About the Name: If the name of the person on the birth certificate was established by adoption, legitimation, paternity acknowledgment or court action, the the delayed certificate will show that name (provided that the proper documentation is submitted.).
Note about Fathers: If the mother was not married to the father at the time of the birth, or during the ten months before the birth. In this case the father can only be added if paternity as been determined by legitimation, adoption, or an acknowledgment of paternity (provided that the proper documentation is provided.)
Who Needs to File for a Certificate of Delayed Birth?
Anyone whose birth certificate is not on file in West Virginia AND
The person was born in West Virginia AND
The person has no birth certificate on file in the county of birth AND
The person needs (or wishes) for a birth certificate to be on file for him or her at Vital Registration
Typically, if a child was born in a hospital, there is a birth certificate on file for them at Vital Registration.
And standards were A LOT more lax in Hawaii in the 1960s!
Trying to uphold the Constitution is the mark of a sore loser?
I wouldn’t bet against that, but I have a feeling that even with the most friendly of press, he’ll feel the need to control every jot and tittle.
I’ll treat Obama as nice as the leftists treated Bush. Obama is a liar. He was born in Kenya. He is a fraud. He will not be a legitimate president until he proves his eligibility. I don’t care who swears him in. Until comes clean, all he can be is a tyrant.
must be New Hampshire electors.....problem is they are all “designated by the democratic party”...probably have been promised money to fight any lawsuits and or threatened with worse.....
Conservatives are beginning to get a reputation of being sore losers. Could this sore loser reputation be a problem for us in the future
It hasn’t seemed to hurt the Democrats at all.
Republicans have a reputation of being sore losers, conspiracy nuts, right-wing fanatics, the list goes on.
From the poem IF
“If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise;”
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings-—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And-—which is more-—you’ll be a Man, my son!
Obama’s ‘privacy’ defense is absurd.
Birth Certificates are sealed under privacy laws to prevent identity theft.
For a President-elect to prevent release of his vault copy long form birth certificate in order to avoid identity theft is ridiculously absurd.
There is nothing on a long form birth certificate that would render one prone to any abuse other than possible identity theft. And if there were anything remotely prone to abuse, it could be redacted on a copy with a cover letter of explanation from the Hawaii government.
So far there are officials of the State of Hawaii that have said the ‘Certificate of Live Birth’ is genuine. But what is not exposed by the press is there is a difference between a Certificate of Live Birth’ and a ‘Certification of Live Birth’. In the former case all that is required is for the parents to be citizens and claim they were residents of Hawaii within the last year even if their child was not born in Hawaii. In such a case the State of Hawaii will issue a ‘Certificate of Live Birth’. The background of this policy law is the nature of how Islanders were registered as residents of the USA when Hawaii became a territory.
The ‘Certification of Live Birth’ is however an official record that the child was born in the Hawaiian Islands.
What Obama released and what the State officials vouched for was a ‘Certificate of Live Birth’. This does not prove he was born in Hawaii. His half-sister has one of these and she is known to have not been born in Hawaii. Likewise Sun Yat-Sen was born in China but had a ‘Certificate of Live Birth’ from Hawaii.
Therefore, Obama needs to settle this and soon. It will cloud his Presidency from the start and I believe it will not go away.
You got it slightly wrong,,,,he is a CHICAGO democrat politician, the most crooked kind anywhere.
Post #17 is correct and my previous post is mistaken.
It is the ‘Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii’ and not the ‘Certification of Live Birth’ that is the valid document for proof of birth in Hawaii.
Who’s in charge of the popcorn?
I don’t know but I want the Beer Concession.
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