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'Pentagon's F-22 buy may signal export'
The Jerusalem Post ^ | Dec 15, 2008 0:31 | By YAAKOV KATZ

Posted on 12/14/2008 6:47:24 PM PST by homeguard

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To: homeguard

I don’t understand this theory that if a sale of the best fighter aircraft we have is going to be concluded, much less utilized in any perceived attack Israel may or may not conduct before January 20th...

The plan if any has been set for years...The pilots train for it, the “stars” plan it, logistically and the feasibility of a military action...(Everyone does this)...

So why would they mess the plan up by introducing a weapon system that no one knows how to operate effectively enough to push it right into a battle plan that could be given the word go at a moments notice???

If they eventually get the F-22, fine...They’ll probably use it as a stealth refueling aircraft...(joking)...

My armchair opinion is that nothing is going to happen here...The opportunity has come and passed...

What will probably happen is a truck will be loaded up and someone will drive a functional device thru to a target, Alah Akbarrr, and boom...

What happens after that is anyones guess...


61 posted on 12/15/2008 8:00:20 AM PST by stevie_d_64
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To: OCC

“Israel been a little lose . . . “

I am the biggest defender of Israel around. Married an Israeli, will soon be an Israeli myself, intend to raise my daughters there, etc.

But, yeah, I agree. Actions have consequences.


62 posted on 12/15/2008 8:49:40 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: cripplecreek

I’d add Japan to that list.


63 posted on 12/15/2008 9:30:06 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Why not Japan?


64 posted on 12/15/2008 9:31:27 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: Free_in_Alabama

Don’t sell it to japan if you don’t want China to have it the next day. Japan is bad at keeping secrets and China is all over them with spies


65 posted on 12/15/2008 9:32:30 AM PST by jbwbubba
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To: cripplecreek

You forgot the only nation with a realistic budget to afford a decent number of Raptors-Japan.Leaving out Israel, the rest can only afford pipedreams given their skewed spending priorities.


66 posted on 12/15/2008 10:00:09 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Mr. Silverback

post #40.


67 posted on 12/15/2008 10:11:28 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice.)
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To: Larry381
“I have no problem selling almost any weapons system to Israel.
As to the F-22, rumors are that Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, Japan, Australia and a few others, (Poland, Belgium?) have inquired about buying them”

The only ones that you listed that should get them are Japan, and Australia (to help keep China in check).

The only other ones who I think should get them are Israel, and the U.K.

As for the rest of them, they can pound sand especially saudi, egypt, turkey, UAE, etc.

68 posted on 12/15/2008 10:29:29 AM PST by 2CAVTrooper
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To: Marine_Uncle

I didn’t think you meant disrespect, and appreciate your post.


69 posted on 12/15/2008 10:42:18 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: Kadric
"What I’ve heard of is a small diameter guided bomb along the lines of JDAMs."

You mean the GBU-39?

It's already in LRIP.

Small Diameter Bomb - Military.com

70 posted on 12/15/2008 10:54:18 AM PST by 2CAVTrooper
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To: Mr. Silverback

I know. You simply wanted others opinions on who should have the plane.


71 posted on 12/15/2008 11:46:24 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice.)
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To: oldbill
Somehow American technology sold to Israel ends up in Israeli products sold to China. The F-22 should stay at home.

I'll second that. Once our enemies get a peek at the technology, it's value is degraded.

72 posted on 12/15/2008 12:02:39 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (We used to institutionalize the insane. Now we elect them.)
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To: homeguard
No sales to Israel (or anywhere out of the US right now). The tech will be on the open market two days after it arrives. They have burned us way to many times before.

Of course, if the rumors are true, the F22 is not as stealthy as many think it is.

73 posted on 12/15/2008 3:46:42 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Why not Japan?

Remember Toshiba and the Russians? (And, when I wrote that, I was thinking of the incident in the 1980s http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE4DE153CF937A25750C0A96E948260 but apparently, they make a habit of it:
http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/279551/toshiba_employee_sells_data_to_russia/ So I'd no more trust the Japanese with our technology than I'd trust the Israelis. Both of them have proven to be unworthy.

74 posted on 12/15/2008 5:11:04 PM PST by PAR35
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To: 2CAVTrooper

One hundred plus Raptors should be destined for Australia. My home country sorely needs them. Designated the F-22EMA (Export Model Australia).


75 posted on 12/19/2008 9:58:51 PM PST by myknowledge (Nothing beats Australia's F-22EMA Raptor)
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To: redgolum
I agree. For one, there is always added risk that the technology may fall into the wrong hands once it is out of the country. Israel is an ally (and a country that I fully support), but it has in the past been quite porous when it comes to China. Furthermore, it is always prudent to maintain a certain level of overt advantage, even over allies. Maybe some time in the future we can release some Raptors for export, but that should only be at a time when the USAF has a weapon system significantly more advanced and capable than the Raptor will be at that point. One should never allow for parity in national defense, be it with allies or enemies.

By the way, I am curious as to which rumors you are talking about.

76 posted on 01/13/2009 4:15:58 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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