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To: Jim Noble
The real problem is that over the last 90 years non freeholders, women, children under 21, and morons have been enfranchised.

These are the groups that didn't vote before, the groups the founders warned us not to enfranchise, the groups that are responsible for socialist control of the federal and a majority of state governments.

THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THIS UNTIL THE REPUBLIC FALLS AND THEY ARE STRIPPED OF THE RIGHT TO VOTE

The Republic will not endure, people just don't realize it yet.

What is happening in NY will happen at the federal level as well.

When it falls, those who pick up the pieces (military) will not make the same mistake.

41 posted on 12/16/2008 6:20:56 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Rome2000; 4Speed; denydenydeny; nathanbedford
These are the groups that didn't vote before, the groups the founders warned us not to enfranchise, the groups that are responsible for socialist control of the federal and a majority of state governments. THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THIS UNTIL THE REPUBLIC FALLS AND THEY ARE STRIPPED OF THE RIGHT TO VOTE

Well, I agree that such an improvement in the quality of the voters would solve the problem.

But that does not explain why, when the existing voters do the right thing, that nothing changes. Let's pick abolishing the Department of Education as an example.

I choose that because the Department of Education is new, it's conspicuously useless and wasteful, and it does not educate a single child.

More importantly HUGE ELECTORAL MAJORITIES have voted TWICE - in 1984, and again in 1994, for candidates sworn to its abolition.

The nature of the GOP 1994 revolution was so amazing, and I think, because of our disappointments recently, we don't think about it in the right way.

The Democrats were swept from power in a popular avalanche. The Republicans had over 230 House members. 54 Democrats were tossed out. Most importantly, the incoming majority had SIGNED A PLEDGE to abolish the Department of Education.

So, my question is, why is it still in existence?

Yes, the Democrats are corrupt and beholden to teacher unions. Yes, too many people vote, and too many are enfranchised.

BUT THIS DOES NOT EXPLAIN THE SURVIVAL OF THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.

This small slice of a much bigger pie suggests that the People cannot change the growth of government, EVEN BY WINNING ELECTIONS WITH A CLEAR MANDATE.

If electing conservatives to the majority and giving them clear instructions is insufficient, then the whole voting thing isn't going to work, ever, and we need to look elsewhere for positive change.

50 posted on 12/16/2008 7:53:03 PM PST by Jim Noble (Long May Our Land Be Bright With Freedom's Holy Light)
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To: Rome2000
so 50% of the population minimally can't vote in your utopia?.....

we can handle guns too you know.....so just try to disenfranchise .......

57 posted on 12/16/2008 10:41:20 PM PST by cherry
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