Posted on 12/19/2008 12:23:50 PM PST by Red Steel
Yeah, that’s a pretty ugly and hateful rant against Bush and Cheney coming from Berg. Who the hell does he think he is, a CoastToCoastAM host?.
The Democrat dominated congress will refuse to impeach him, and they will be resoundly defeated in 2010. Maybe, this Birth Certificate thing has more to do with Rick Warren, putting off Don’t ask Don’t Tell, and other moderate to middle choices Obama is making. He is terrified of having a large percentage of Americans calling for his head with this issue unresolved.
Good question. If you have been following these threads from the beginning you would know babies did not need passports in the early 60's since they traveled on their mother's passport. However, filing an FOIA with the State Department is a good idea...cover all the bases.
I needed that BC from the U.S. Embassy to enroll in school, play Little League, set my S.S. Card, get my U.S. Passport, my DL enroll in College etc.
How do you propose Obama did all the above things without a B.C?
And you would know, if you followed these Obama citizen status threads, that Hawaii issued COLBs and birth certificates to foreign born babies up to 1972.
Oh, and you do not need a birth certificate to get a passport. The State Department accepts "Secondary evidence of U.S. Citizenship" that makes it a lot easier to game the system.
So "proving your age" to play little league baseball would have been easy for Obama because the State of Hawaii once had flimsy rules in place.
So it is better to “kill” the messenger than the message???
I think it is called that they then have elected an "usurper" as President???
Redacted sounds fine until you look at your own BC and wonder “What is in here that is so private the American People cannot see this”?
Most people use their drivers license and Social Security card as ID. They have never actually looked at their BC.
Still others have a passport and have had to present their Birth Certificate to the
Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):
Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport
Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*
Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
Naturalization Certificate
Certificate of Citizenship
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html
*A certified birth certificate has a registrar’s raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar’s office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/Secondary%20Evidence/Secondary%20Evidence_4315.html
If you cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, you must submit secondary evidence of U.S. citizenship. Determine what form of secondary evidence is most appropriate for your situation based on the descriptions below. Each application is handled on a case-by-case basis. The scenarios below are intended as general guidance.
Early Public Records
If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, you may submit a combination of early public records as evidence of your U.S. citizenship. Early public records must be submitted together with a birth record or Letter of No Record (see below). Early public records should show your name, date of birth, place of birth, and preferably be created within the first five years of your life. Examples of early public records are:
Baptismal certificate
Hospital birth certificate
Census record
Early school record
Family bible record
Doctor’s record of post-natal care
Early Public Records are not acceptable when presented alone.
BTW, can any freepers give me pointers on how to edit this in HTML?
See post 46
Here is my take for what it is worth. (not much)
If Zero isn’t a “Natural Born U.S. Citizen” then the time for bringing that to light has passed. Maybe if we had gone after it a year ago we might have gotten to the truth. Now the “moment” has been lost. Consider the following.
If Zero IS REALLY a “Natural Born U.S. Citizen” then all the delay tactics are just to set us up to look stupid.
If Zero IS NOT a “Natural Born U.S. Citizen” then the delay tactics have provided enough time for suitable “Proof” of him being a “Natural Born U.S. Citizen” to be manufactured and appropriately inserted into the record.
Does anybody here in their heart of hearts really believe that Zero, with all the money at his disposal, and all the Dems nationwide willing to break laws, blatantly, to help him, couldn’t get that done in the time allowed?
End result, we look stupid.
Personally, I believe in the second scenario....But that’s just my take.
One of these Obama non-citizenship cases is going to pop! In baseball, a superstar batting .333 actually fails 2/3 of the time. An NBA player is good if he shoots over 50% (which means he missed half the time). The bottomline is, each of these cases digs just alittle bigger hole.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244
Somebody the other day quoted an old political aphorism: "Never interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake."
Anyone who wonders what Obama gains by not releasing his birth certificate only has to read these threads to see the schism this is creating in conservative ranks. Why would he stop that?
Where have you been, some of us have been researching this issue for more than a year and wondering why no one will touch it.
Please SCOTUS resolve this issue, all I ask is that the truth be brought out in court.
Why else would he hide his BC? None of the excuses proffered by his apologists about "something embarrassing" holds any water.
Because this issue isn't harming him with the general public and it's causing a schism among conservatives. Why would he stop that?
The Supremes have chosen to be derelict in their duty to the Constitution, and let the mob rule, even though Oboogie is an alien. It’s a social message. So goes the Republic.
Thank you! That is a perfect example of the kind of specious reasoning used to defend his actions. ;-)
The legal score card thus far:
Philip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania Democrat, demanded that the courts verify Obama’s original birth certificate and other documents proving his American citizenship. US District Judge R. Barclay Surrick dismissed Berg’s complaint for lack of standing. Surrick added in his dismissal that Berg’s case was “frivolous and not worthy of discussion.”
Berg appealed to the US Supreme Court requesting an injunction to stop the Electoral College from selecting the 44th president. Berg’s was denied by Justice Souter of the U.S. Supreme Court.
Berg resubmitted his Petition for a Writ of Certiorari and it was taken on by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy. On December 17th it was denied without comment by Kennedy. Berg’s Petition will be heard in conference for a third time on January 9th.
Leo Donofrio of New Jersey filed a lawsuit claiming Obama’s dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court but denied a full hearing.
Cort Wrotnowski filed suit against Connecticut’s secretary of state, making a similar argument to Donofrio. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court, but was denied a full hearing.
Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes headlines a list of people filing a suit in California, in a case handled by the United States Justice Foundation, that asks the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state’s 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The case is pending, and lawyers are seeking the public’s support. However the 55 California Electors did vote on December 15th thus rendering the Keyes case moot as of the Certification of the Electoral College vote on January 6th.
Chicago attorney Andy Martin sought legal action requiring Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle to release Obama’s vital statistics record. The case was dismissed by Hawaii Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe.
Martin also appealed to the Hawaii Supreme Court for a Writ of Mandamus to force release of Obama’s original birth certificate. The writ was denied by the Hawaii Supreme Court on October 22nd under the state’s vital records confidentiality provisions.
Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama’s eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama’s citizenship. His case was denied.
In Ohio, David M. Neal sued to force the secretary of state to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied.
In Washington state, Steven Marquis sued the secretary of state seeking a determination on Obama’s citizenship. The case was denied.
In Georgia, Rev. Tom Terry asked the state Supreme Court to authenticate Obama’s birth certificate. His request for an injuction against Georgia’s secretary of state was denied by Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter.
Perhaps I wasn't clear. I know people were looking into it a year ago. What I ment was that it needed to reach the SC a year ago.
Like the man said, “Never interrupt your opponent when he’s making a mistake.” I find it a lot more plausible to believe that Obama and company aren’t releasing the birth certificate because they’re laughing their asses off about this and the split its causing in conservative ranks than to believe that there’s some conspiracy going back to 1961 and involving everyone from Malcolm X to Antonin Scalia, but for which not a single tangible bit of proof has turned up.
Well, don’t let me interrupt you.
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