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Why chastity pledges by U.S. teenagers don't always ring true
The Daily Mail ^ | 30 December 2008 | Paul Thompson

Posted on 12/30/2008 11:22:07 AM PST by vivalaoink

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To: vivalaoink
I think biology is going to win over words here - How many of us were horny teens 6 days a week?

I wasn't. 7 days.

41 posted on 12/30/2008 12:48:24 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: eclecticEel
Regardless, the way these news stories twist and spin you’d think that high schools were forcing their students to make these things.

Some schools are "encouraging" students to make these pledges. My son refused and was asked for an explanation of his refusal. He told them it was none of their business.

I think many of the kids play along and sign the paper.

42 posted on 12/30/2008 12:59:42 PM PST by Dianna (<i>)
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To: weegee
7 days without sex makes one weak.

LOL

On a slightly related subject (I guess), as a guy, something that makes me...well, not necessarily mad, nor sad, it just bothers me - is when women, especially "professional" women and in some cases, even church women, dress provocatively (top line down to the navel, skirt line up to the waist), and then expect the guys to not look. I'd have to be blind or gay not to notice...

As someone wisely said once, "If you're not for sale, don't advertise."

43 posted on 12/30/2008 1:00:14 PM PST by Christian4Bush (Role of the press: Republican scandal - prosecutors; Democrat scandal - Defense attorneys.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Seeing that connection made me have to check, I see that Go Ask Alice (another advocate of the sex positive “anything goes, no moral judgements” agenda) is run by Columbia University.

But I did have to check.


44 posted on 12/30/2008 1:03:58 PM PST by weegee ("Let Me Just Cut You Off, Because I Don't Want You To Waste Your Question" - B.Obama Dec 16, 2008)
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To: vivalaoink

Anyone else sick and tired of these expert reports that tell us how we really live that are based on “surveys” of 1,000 human beings?
Excuse me but there are over 300 million people in the Uited States. I have serious problems with some agenda researcher picking 1000 people asking a few questions then reporting what all those 300 million people are doing or not doing........
Anyone thnk the result of a survey on kids and sex could vary based on location?


45 posted on 12/30/2008 1:20:59 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: JennysCool

Wick Wet - BUMP


46 posted on 12/30/2008 1:39:17 PM PST by DoingTheFrenchMistake
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To: weegee

They took the raw data (which does show that people who take pledges have sex less than those who don’t), and massaged it.

Specifically, they decided that comparing “pledgies” with “non-pledgies” wasn’t rational, since pledgies were more likely to be people who wouldn’t have sex. So they looked for OTHER factors like upbringing, religion, etc, to “weight” the information.

Once they had “comparable groups”, they found that within a “comparable group”, those who took the pledge had sex just as much as those who didn’t, but those who took the pledge were less likely to have a condom or birth control.

Now, the 2nd part is simply common sense. If you have pledged not to have sex, you probably are not on the pill, and probably don’t have condoms around.

On the other hand, the idea that you can find comparable groups in which you can then differentiate between pledgers and non-pledgers is problematic.

For example, suppose you have two girls of similar looks and circumstances, both from conservative christian homes. Both are taught not to have sex before marriage.

Which of the two is more likely to “take the pledge”? The one that feels more drawn to having sex. The pledge is a tool to help you resist temptation. A girl who has no interest in sex may not feel necessary to take the pledge, the girl who is getting pressure to have sex might take the pledge to help fend off the pressure.

Which means that, absent the pledge, it is likely the “pledgers” would have more sex than the non-pledgers.

The point is that “taking the pledge” is not some independent variable. A person’s circumstances is what DRIVES them to take the pledge, or not.


47 posted on 12/30/2008 2:54:44 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: vivalaoink

I was as horny as the next kid, and I’ve only had sex with my wife, and only had sex after we were married.

I had the opportunity, but knew it was wrong.

Just as I had the opportunity to steal, to kill, and to do other things that were wrong, but knew they were wrong.

We expect people to obey other laws. We would expect a horny ugly boy to refrain from sex if no girl will sleep with him. SO why can’t we expect other boys to refrain?


48 posted on 12/30/2008 2:56:26 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
We expect people to obey other laws.

I'm not sure the comparison is apt. It's not illegal for teenagers to have sex (unless they violate statutory rape laws)

49 posted on 12/30/2008 2:59:31 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: Dianna

I did the same thing your kid did when I was in school (refuse to sign such nonsense).

Good for him.


50 posted on 12/30/2008 4:59:39 PM PST by vivalaoink
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To: Dianna

You are so right.

Teenagers are teenagers. I was one....once..

I wish that my little girl was not going to be one soon!!!

I try to put her on the correct path but a teenager has their own mind.

I talk to her about sex and the ramifications of an early age. I just pray that she listens to me.


51 posted on 12/30/2008 5:04:36 PM PST by Shyla
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To: muawiyah

Does teaching one’s child about guns mean they are going to wind up a psycho killer?

Why doesn’t the same line of thinking apply to sex ed?


52 posted on 12/30/2008 5:05:33 PM PST by vivalaoink
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To: vivalaoink
To start with the mechanisms are far different. Then, there's the question of what the various parts mean ~

Did they teach you in biology about boys and girls having different equipment?

53 posted on 12/30/2008 6:01:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: DogBarkTree

Interestingly last night I watched a show on the History channel that examined lust. They showed brain images of someone (in this case a woman) who was watching erotic images. It turns out that as the “turn on” region of the brain “turns on”, another area of the brain that has to do with restraint loses power. It was the biggest no duh show segment that I’ve seen for quite some time!


54 posted on 12/30/2008 6:08:48 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: napscoordinator

Their point would be that the others who give in will end up not using protection.


55 posted on 12/30/2008 6:10:24 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: muawiyah

Just because the equipment (in this case, a firearm) changes, does that somehow change basic safety rules?


56 posted on 12/30/2008 6:15:23 PM PST by vivalaoink
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To: vivalaoink
Yup. The current state of firearms are safe if you simply remove the ammunition. Future firearms with electronic firing systems are much more like the biological systems in that you never remove the ammunition except when you fire it.

Still, putting a thin rubber mitton on the barrel of a current or advanced firearm probably wouldn't work. At the same time people don't come with a "safety" either.

57 posted on 12/30/2008 6:45:36 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Buckeye McFrog
media and academia, dutifully preparing the ground for BO to launch a radical Planned Parenthood agenda

BINGO

58 posted on 12/30/2008 6:52:23 PM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Anyone else sick and tired of these expert reports that tell us how we really live that are based on “surveys” of 1,000 human beings?

Statistically, surveys of 1000 people have a margin of error in the low single digits. If done properly, they are a pretty accurate statistical tool.

59 posted on 12/30/2008 9:52:17 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: vivalaoink
Teenagers who vow to remain virgins until they marry are just as likely to have pre-marital sex as other young people, a study has found.


60 posted on 12/31/2008 5:28:54 AM PST by Oztrich Boy ("Never apologize, Mister. It's a sign of weakness" - Nathan Brittles)
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