Fueled by H2O?

www.bendbulletin.com ^ | 12-26-2008 | By Andrew Moore

[citizen]

oops, wrong thread...sorry

[sima_yi]

...what is it’s comparative density at 1 atmosphere?

Oxygen - 1.429 grams per liter at 0 degrees C

Hydrogen - 0.0899 grams per liter

However, at the equal temperature and pressure, equal volumes will contain equal numbers of atoms. Thus, you would need two liters of hydrogen (H2) for each liter of oxygen (O2) for complete combustion.

Hope this helps.

[Yo-Yo]

They are small, footlong canisters that use electricity from a car battery to break water into its gaseous components, hydrogen and oxygen.

The gases are then funneled into the engine, where — due to the combustive nature of hydrogen — it is used to help drive an engine’s pistons. The process means less gasoline is injected into the piston cylinders, hence the car can travel farther on less gas, thereby increasing the car’s fuel efficiency...

But there is more load on the engine to make the electricity used to split the water into oxygen and hydrogen, thus lowering fuel efficiency by just a bit more than the amount of energy released by burning the hydrogen...

[Jack Black]

But he’s not burning pure H20. He’s burning gasoline. So maybe it does work?

[Repeal The 17th]

Super info, thanks.
I can’t wait to try it out on something.

[Oberon]

Time to check the old BS meter in for a little go-over. Methinks it’s a little bit busted.

It's been a problem all my life. I'm not sure if this is one of those cases. I'd like to know more about it.

[editor-surveyor]

Yellowstone may do nothing at all for another 1000 years

[Dick Bachert]

I’d heard that Congress had repealed the Laws of Thermodynamics.

‘Bout damn time...

[Oberon]

Gasoline has more hydrogen in it than liquid hydrogen.

That can't be true as stated. How would you qualify that statement to make it true?

[Repeal The 17th]

“If you do so, make sure that it does not foam.
Foam will trap both hydrogen and oxgen and makes for a big, big boom.”
- - -
Oh, yes, to be sure.
I once ran the QC and environmental dept. at a large industrial chrome-plating operation.
More often than I care to admit,
we had hydrogen foam explosions in the plating room.
Certainly makes you want to go shange your underware....

[Repeal The 17th]

“I’ve seen a horsefly, I’ve even seen a housefly...”
- - -
Time flies like an arrow,
but fruit flies like a banana.

[FunkyZero]

I'm a skeptic, but you have the right attitude. Stomping these guys down does nothing, we just need to make sure they aren't selling snake oil.

for instance, a std automobile is extremely inefficient. Most of the energy produced by the comustion is wasted in friction and heat. I've heard numbers as low as 10%, 90% waste.

At any rate, the waste energy will be the key here. There will be no vehicle that powers itself by generating it's own fuel. Gasoline or alcohol are here to stay. However, if you can recapture the waste energy and use THAT to produce more energy to feed back into the vehicle, you are moving in the right direction. I'm certain that ratio will never hit 100%, but with the right meduim of racapture and low complexity, doubling vehicle efficiency should be attainable.

Question is, will it be affordable... Paying 100G for a rolling combine contraption so it will get 75mpg in between repairs, maint and breakdowns doesn't sound very attractive to anyone.

[thackney]

Uhmm, they claim that video was shot in the spring of 1898. I'm more interested in the video camera. ;-)

Thanks for the link. I've done work at many natural gas pipeline compressor stations. I've worked at some old ones but that was something else.

[Sender]

Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Peasant 1: Burn them.
Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
Peasant 1: More witches.
Peasant 2: Hydrogen.
Peasant 3: Wood.
Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
Peasant 2: Because they're full of hydrogen.
Peasant 3: ...because they're made of... wood?
Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood?
Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her.
Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
Peasant 1: Oh yeah.
Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond!
Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water?
Peasant 1: Bread.
Peasant 2: Apples.
Peasant 3: Very small rocks.
Peasant 1: Cider.
Peasant 2: Gravy.
Peasant 3: Cherries.
Peasant 1: Mud.
Peasant 2: Churches.
Peasant 3: Lead! Lead!
Peasant 2: No, there's no hydrogen in lead.
King Arthur: A Duck.
Sir Bedevere: ...Exactly. So, logically...
Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood.
Peasant 2: ...and full of hydrogen...
Sir Bedevere: And therefore...
Peasant 2: ...A witch!

[FBD]

:^D
good one! This stuff is too funny.

[Humble Servant]

‘ll b’leev it wen I seez it. Seen stuff like this all my life; when you go to make it happen, it just doesn’t pay out. You put YOUR life savings in it; I’m keeping mine where it’s relatively safe—on the front porch.

[Humble Servant]

” at the equal temperature and pressure, equal volumes will contain equal numbers of atoms. “

That’s really interesting. Is there a reason why it’s the same, or just coincidence?

[Erasmus]

I’ll have you know we break them on a regular basis on my home planet. How the heck do you think I got here?!

We've been wondering that for a loooong time.

≤}B^)

[AmericaUnite]

On one of those science channels I saw the hydrogen model of making electricity. The storage seemed large (it looked like a propane tank farm), but what a system. If they could bring it to scale for a car, I'd much rather that than batteries with toxic chemicals like lithium all over the place.

And they went into great detail about how the Hindenburg had burned. It had to do with the aluminum skin catching fire.

[ecomcon]

This is Hydrogen

This is Isooctane, or Gasoline

This is Cetane, or Diesel

Notice all the hydrogen atoms in the gas and diesel molecules. The trouble with hydrogen as a motor fuel is its low mass. Gasoline has much more hydrogen per liquid gallon than liquid hydrogen.