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Is Obama a natural-born citizen?
Lima News ^ | January 4, 2009 | Thomas Lucente

Posted on 1/4/2009, 7:16:05 AM by 2ndDivisionVet

The most underreported story of 2008 has to be the continuing saga of a few brave souls who are working through the courts to force President-elect Barack Obama to prove his citizenship.

In fact, a report from The Associated Press dismissed the whole thing as nothing but Internet conspiracy theories.

This lack of coverage is just the latest example of why I have mostly lost hope for the mainstream media in the United States.

Thanks to the lack of media coverage, many of you reading this may be unaware of the multitude of lawsuits challenging Obama's citizenship and his legal right to be president.

The Framers, when putting together our Constitution, inserted Article 2, Section 1, Clause 4, which tells us. "No Person except a natural born Citizen ... shall be eligible to the Office of President." The same clause prevents Austrian-born California Gov. Arnold A. Schwarzenegger from being president.

There have been at least 17 lawsuits filed in state and federal courts alleging that Obama does not meet the Constitutional requirement of being a natural-born citizen.

The lawsuits filed all have varying theories on Obama's citizenship, including that he was not born in the United States, that he became a citizen of Indonesia when he was adopted, or that he had dual citizenship at birth, which means he was not a natural-born citizen.

The lawsuit with which I am most familiar was filed in a federal court in Pennsylvania by Philip Berg, a Democrat.

That lawsuit alleges that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya. Berg says he has a recording of Obama's grandmother, Sarah Obama, saying she was present when Obama was born in Kenya.

Berg further claims that Obama himself and other members of his family have made conflicting statements as to where he was born. Additionally, Kenyan officials have said Obama was born in Kenya.

Much of the controversy surrounds Obama's birth certificate. The state of Hawaii has refused to release the long-form or "vault" copy of the birth certificate. Obama also has refused to release the long-form copy.

Back in June, the campaign did release a short-form certificate, which is a certificate created by Hawaii that says the long-form certificate is on file. However, according to Berg, the campaign only released the short-form certificate to The Daily Kos, a left-wing blog, and FactCheck.org, a pro-Obama organization. Additionally, Berg has called the short-form certificate a forgery.

Berg brought the case to the U.S. Supreme Court and was initially denied by Justices David Souter and Anthony Kennedy before submitting his petition to Justice Antonin Scalia.

The Supreme Court has scheduled two conferences on the case, one for Friday and a second one for Jan. 16, four days before Obama will take office.

I do not know if Obama is a natural-born citizen. My instincts tell me that it would have been difficult for him to hide that fact for so long. However, citizenship law can be very murky and Obama's reticence on the matter is disturbing.

I know from personal experience that when dealing with duel citizenship issues, birth certificates are usually filed in both countries. The state of Hawaii's statement that it has a birth certificate on file does nothing in solving the mystery of where Obama was born. It merely tells us his birth was recorded in Hawaii.

The whole controversy might be nothing more than a crazy conspiracy theory. Then again, it might be a valid argument.

The whole matter could easily be settled by the state of Hawaii releasing the long-form certificate, something the Supreme Court can force if it accepts the case for arguments.

There is much at stake here. This is a serious constitutional question. If we find out later that Obama was not a natural-born citizen, then everything he did as president, treaties, laws, executive orders, etc., would be invalid.

The candidates spent more than $1 billion and two years vying for the job. Would it not make sense to give lawyers an afternoon arguing the issue in front of the Supreme Court? That is the least we could do to make sure the person taking the oath of office actually meets the requirements.

The Constitution demands nothing less.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: barackobama; berg; bho2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; donquixote; obama; obamagate; obamatruthfile; scotus; supremecourt; whereisrush
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To: oscars300
dunno, but is it standard procedure to have the president elect present a valid long-form birth certificate?

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Let's hold Obama to the **SAME** standards as every other president!!!

Other presidents had established families, relatives and friends who visited the mother and newborn at their home and/or hospital and were thrilled to testify to anyone who asked that they **knew ** the newborn baby president and his family. Other presidents have church records of christenings and many witnesses who attended. Other presidents had **proud** doctors and midwives who proudly announce that they delivered the baby president to be.

Oh?...Obama can't do that. Well!...Let hold him to a LESSER standard that other presidents. Let's have present:

long form birth certificate
adoption records,
draft registration
passport details
proof that he swore allegiance to the U.S. on his return to the U.S.

This is pretty simple stuff. If his citizenship were on the up and up he could have all this clearly up in 3 days and $100. That he has armies of lawyers working to hide this information is ( in itself) highly suspicious.

21 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:04:15 AM by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: oscars300
He certainly has a past. He even wrote several books about his path. Essentially, he has a huge race complex, and his life has been a quest for “true blackness”. As so many liberal minorities these days, he has an outsize sense of victimization. At a certain point though, however, he realized his career as an “inauthentic black” would be better if he pandered to white liberals rather than to the traditional black constituency (after he lost an election to a former black panther, no less). If this inspired any change in underlying beliefs remains to be seen.

I read Ayers book. Its all fantasy. Obama is a drifter with not much of anything in his past that can be accurately confirmed. I do agree with your premise that Obama is a mega head-case, though... Certainly not fit for public office. His "who am I issues" would seem to be a distraction. Great leaders (or, even bad leaders) tend to know who and what they are. Maybe he should give up the "emperor of the Galaxy" thing and contemplate his navel or something until he figures out what he is! Overall, this guy is a joke.

22 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:04:18 AM by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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23 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:05:02 AM by GVnana ("I once dressed as Tina Fey for Halloween." - Sarah Palin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would be surprised if team Obama, and much less team ANSWER gave a damn about what people on FR think about Obama´s birth certificate. If nothing else it´s a nice story to point to in order to dismiss the opposition as “conspiracy mongers”, etc. But overall, I doubt that they care much about what happens in parts of talk radio and on some conservative websites (the “established” conservative media have steered well clear of the birth certificate story, for obvious reasons).

I did visit Chicago once though, so you might have a partial point there.


24 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:05:14 AM by oscars300
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To: April Lexington
Why did so many Americans vote for this ghost? The US is rapidly moving to a HS Graduation Rate of only 50%. Most people don't even know the name of their Governor. They can't even name the Secretary of State. They have no firm position on any issue. What guides them to vote?....feelings and emotions. Reasoning is not a part of the equation.
25 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:05:48 AM by topfile
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To: topfile

Two emotions were more relevant than others:

-Black pride (Blacks wanted a black president)

-White guilt (Many whites wanted to prove their non-racist nature by electing a black president)


26 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:09:57 AM by oscars300
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To: April Lexington

Interesting, what was Ayer´s main points about Obama?


27 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:11:21 AM by oscars300
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To: oscars300

for obvious reasons).
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It isn’t **obvious** to me.

Why is conservative talk radio so quiet about this? How is it possible to keep **all** of them so quiet?

I really don’t get it.


28 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:15:37 AM by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: oscars300
"much less team ANSWER gave a damn about what people on FR think "

Why do they monitor this website and defend Hussein here?

yitbos

29 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:16:39 AM by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: topfile

Reasoning is not a part of the equation.
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This is all part of the Marxist plan.

Marxism is our nation’s **most** serious threat. Schools are their **most** important weapon.


30 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:17:12 AM by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime

The reason is that there is not even a shred of hard evidence. What is keeping them away is that they don´t believe in the story. Not that they are ANSWER trolls.


31 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:24:30 AM by oscars300
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To: bruinbirdman

Probably for the same reason Freepers head over to DU and Kos for some R&R, no?


32 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:25:54 AM by oscars300
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To: Lily4Jesus

I hope so. They are all afraid; but continuing with less than the truth such as the Clintons is far more damaging than anything else.

I would laugh if it weren’t so sad all of those people who didn’t vote for Clinton. Well you got her anyway. She and Obambi work for the same people; so I hope you are happy living with it.


33 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:28:13 AM by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: oscars300

The reason is that there is not even a shred of hard evidence. What is keeping them away is that they don´t believe in the story. Not that they are ANSWER trolls.
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I am disgusted with the entire lot of them! What weenies!


34 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:32:03 AM by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OBAMA-Oh Boy, Another Moronic A**hole.


35 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:34:36 AM by getarope (1-20-2009: God Help America)
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To: wintertime
The reason is that there is not even a shred of hard evidence. What is keeping them away is that they don´t believe in the story. Not that they are ANSWER trolls.

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I am disgusted with the entire lot of them! What weenies!

Perfect summary. Hell with them all.

36 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:43:38 AM by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: April Lexington
Why did so many Americans vote for this ghost?

Because John McCain committed treason by throwing the election. There! I said it. John McCain cancelled out (thousands of times over) whatever good he did for his country in the Hanoi Hilton by becoming a corrupt, incoherent, neurotic, weak politician, culminating his career by throwing an election to a man who hates America.

37 posted on 1/4/2009, 8:59:36 AM by Arthur McGowan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

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38 posted on 1/4/2009, 9:00:27 AM by ajay_kumar (Wake me up when the NON-Natural Citizen is out of office.)
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To: April Lexington

Our only hope is a breakdown that cannot be concealed, that makes Obama unfit even to act as a ventriloquist’s dummy.


39 posted on 1/4/2009, 9:05:54 AM by Arthur McGowan
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To: April Lexington

people are THAT stupid.


40 posted on 1/4/2009, 9:33:18 AM by television is just wrong
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