Skip to comments.Conservatives Are Being Educated Out Of Existence
Posted on 01/04/2009 12:27:20 AM PST by rabscuttle385
Republicans and conservatives are in jeopardy of being "educated" out of existence. That begs the question, why in a county that is over 60% Republican and conservative, do we allow our local school system to be run by liberals? Yes, while conservatives have slept, the local school systems across the country, including ours, have been completely taken over by liberals.
It is not only the liberals alone that have made this possible. It is also RINO (Republicans in name only) that have supported these liberal policies and made it possible for them to dominate the school system. Locally RINO's like Chip Baker, Richard Casavant, Joe Conner, Claude Ramsey, etc. are prime examples of politicians that have posed as Republicans basically to get elected while supporting liberal school policies and tax increases. They have been given their marching orders by the local liberal power-structure. They always support the HCEA, NEA, and whatever "
EA" that they can. What organizations can you name that are more liberal than those? Not many.
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The Jack Kemp effect?
Conservatives aren’t ‘gutless’ on most issues, but when it comes to standing up against liberals, phew.. I dunno. There’s a certain fatalism involved often, which gets the GOP and conservatives both in bad shape way too often.
The problem with government schools is not muerely that they TEACH Communism. They ARE Communism. Thus, even government schools with “conservatice” teachers infantilize parents, and teach collectivism, dependency, and godlessness.
The most effective weapon that the godless in America have wielded against Christianity is the confiscation of hundreds of billions of dollars from Christian mothers and fathers in order to warehouse their children for twelve years and teach them godlessness.
You said it! ...and so did the article. So there is hope.
kids are being de-educated
We better try a new approach. In breeding dogs; you can’t breed the bad out of the dog(example bad hips)but; you can breed the good in. That’s how you do it.
We need to start breeding the good back in.
People like William Ayers are plotting the course of the Education system - to dumb down the schools, keep children from acquiring skills or even learning how to think. They want obedient if dysfunctional robots for the communist utopia the leftists are planning. Ayers rightly figured out that he can be more destructive to America by getting into the Education racket than he could be by making bombs.
You sir have completely identified the problem. Conservatives either lack the courage of their convictions or are completely asleep at the wheel.
The problem is in the Christian community, that the calling of parents to teach their children (which includes schooling), which is Biblical and which is not the function of government in the Bible, has been ignored. The cost of paying double for Christian day schools plus also paying for the government system (with no benefit) is a heavy sacrifice. Home schooling, an additional option, calls for the same sacrifices in another way, more time than money.
Both Christian day schools and home schooling will be under further attack under the Obamination administration.
I have come to realize this is the biggest failure of the conservative movement of the last 30 years...allowing the liberals to dominate education EVEN IN CONSERVATIVE STATES.
So now that the problem has been identified...how is it going to be corrected?
I have been writing about and asking this question for YEARS!
The problem is that Conservative leadership has been trying to out-left the Socialist and have forgotten how to be Conservatives. Conservatives should ask if Obama is a king or a public servant. If private school is good enough for his children, then it is good enough for all children.
Did anyone hear McCain so much as mention School Vouchers this election? Did anyone hear him explain the negative impact illegals have on the education of the children of US citizens?
Perhaps I missed it, but I never heard anything close to that from McCain or Palin. So perhaps it may be to our benefit if we didn’t elect him to anything ever again and held back on the coronation of Sarah Palin as Queen of the Conservatives. Those who are really Conservative best stop playing with popularity and notoriety, like Liberals, and start voting for Conservative leaders whose actions are proof they will do as they say they will do.
We need Conservatives and we need fighters. If we don’t get a lot more Duncan Hunters and far fewer McCain’s elected in 2010, the demographics will have changed in such a way that 2012 won’t matter.
You should pay attention. If you google 'McCain Vouchers' in English over the past year there are more than 55,000 hits. Not a McCainiac, but let us try to get things correct.
May be of interest. (NEA+RINO’s+Public Schools)
So is anyone shocked! They shouldn't be. Who wants to go against the mainstream? What conservative will stick his neck out and what has he to say that strikes home to the liberals? Does he say put away your TV? How can he compete with the idea that government will give people everything so they can feel justice is met, that though they are not as wealthy and popular as a Brad Pitt, the government tried to reimburse them on some level?
This may seem far fetched but people will take everything if they feel they are owed it, even if they feel they aren't owed it. So what conservative will take candy from a baby? Or preach the hard line when people don't want the hard line? Sadly, conservatives have to fight on the liberal battlefield and that means having 1) good looks 2) youth 3) and the charismatic strength to make people forget their own tawdry life while still thinking about their own tawdry life.
Palin did it so there is hope.
Yeah, I agree.
I’m sure the NEA would try to hijack the voucher system though.
I’ve never been enrolled in public school and I do know what communism/socialism/Marxism is. (Its how you destroy a country)
The road ahead is indeed going to be very rough.
Indeed. McCain has enough bad traits in reality. We shouldn’t make stuff up about him.
Once in education, the average joe ends up a liberal due to the influences of teacher unions and the propaganda of the 'educationist' agenda which has be come institutionalized in schools of Education.
Internet posters have always been much better at pointing out problems than coming up with solutions. :-)
My solutions, in a nutshell? Abolish the federal Department of Education. Phase out public schools and replace them with private schools. Control the remaining public schools at the state or local levels, rather than at the federal. Drill it into everyone’s mind that private schools are “the norm.” Get people to think of Big Government as a creator of problems, rather than a solver of them.
You are right — the schools have been taken over by liberals and feminists. Rush Limbaugh has hammered on this point many times. But as you suggest,the real failure is conservatives. They don’t stand tall and fight. Underlying this issue is the fact that liberals work in government(taxpayer-funded jobs)whereas conservatives tend to work for themselves or for someone else in a private enterprise. Ask yourself, “which person has more time to push their agenda?” The liberals do and over time, via their unions, etc, they have changed the laws relating to education. This is not the country of our fathers, but the world of Orwell’s “Animal Farm”, and we are the worse for it. The election of a constitutionally unqualified candidate for President is proof of that.
Nobody can hope to prevail in any sort of a culture war while sending their children off to the enemy for indoctrination.
It's way worse now and I don't know how many people will fist fight with a gang as I had done because they were annoyed with my non Liberal opinions.
You are right.
I wonder how many FReepers who love to bloviate and decry the problem have actually taken the time, effort, and money to go to schools and volunteer, substitute teach, or provide materials for the teachers to use.
Leftist groups do these things. For example, by providing free posters of animals, Greenpeace and similar groups lay the groundwork for their message without providing overtly partisan materials. But conservatives sit in thinik tanks publishing another white paper on how bad things are.
I have gotten emergency certification to substitute teach, and I have seen how bad it is. I saw lesson plans where the negative effects of price controls were excised, not to be taught (I finished the lesson I was assigned--and then ran a price-control roleplaying exercise >}:-)
I have volunteered, going to various schools around the state.
I have provided materials--subversive, non-partisan things like posters of the Founding Fathers.
I ran a news journal that constrasted reality with what a college newspaper ran.
I encourage my fellow FReepers to do similar tasks, if they truly love the Republic. If they just want to whine and complain, then I wish they wouldn't pretend to care.
“I have come to realize this is the biggest failure of the conservative movement of the last 30 years...allowing the liberals to dominate education EVEN IN CONSERVATIVE STATES.”
“We need Conservatives and we need fighters. If we dont get a lot more Duncan Hunters and far fewer McCains elected in 2010, the demographics will have changed in such a way that 2012 wont matter.”
So very true. And we ignore it at our peril.
“Ive never been enrolled in public school and I do know what communism/socialism/Marxism is. (Its how you destroy a country).”
I didn’t go to a public school until I was in college in the late 1960s. There is a wide gulf between private (I went to Catholic schools) and public schools in how education is presented.
“Get people to think of Big Government as a creator of problems, rather than a solver of them.”
That’s it in a nutshell. We have our work cut out for us. Unfortunately, it may take a revolution (and I mean that in the strictest sense of the word) to bring about the necessary change. America has turned its back on God. I hope and pray God does not turn His back on America.
“Nobody can hope to prevail in any sort of a culture war while sending their children off to the enemy for indoctrination.”
DING! DING! DING! We have a winner! No truer words have ever been spoken.
This problem could be solved with one simple change:
(a change which is opposed even by conservative teachers)
It’s that simple.
I am in my late 50s, a college graduate, a Vietnam vet, and I may very well be getting laid off from my job this year. How does one go about getting certified as an “emergency teacher”? Does one have to go back to school to a get an Education degree?
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I think it must be that we are fearful that our children won’t be able to make any money. The liberals have it all!! But as for gutless, I have wondered why conservatives WON’T use the court system and make it work for them, while the liberals use it constantly, even filing “lawsuits” that are basically settlement agreements to get what they want from government.
But you won’t get ANY HELP from the Republican Party!!! Look what they did to Palin. Look how the only candidate it could come up with was John McCain. Our PARTY is the problem—it supports big government done ITS way versus the Dem way and that’s it (No Big Difference). I”ll never forget the Clinton Health Plan— and how Bob Dole agreed to help get it passed!! DUH!!! The 1994 Pubbies said they would ABOLISH the Dept of Education and by 2000 we have BUSH-KENNEDY making it bigger, more swollen, and more disgusting than EVER!!!!
As the old saying goes: “Them what can’t do, teach. Them what can’t teach, teach teaching.
“That begs the question, why in a county that is over 60% Republican and conservative”
This implies the country is still center-right in orientation. I don’t think that’s the case anymore at all. Were it the case, Obama wouldn’t have had a chance in November.
I asked if anyone had heard him mention vouchers this election. I never said he did not. I never heard him and I was paying attention. Clearly he did not get his message out to this voter.
Many of the hits have to do with a speech he gave to the NAACP, of which I am not a member, and statements of his position. Apparently he chided Obama early in the campaign for not being for vouchers and I missed that. Perhaps I am able to filter dishonesty subconsciously and never realized it. :)
“Mr. McCain downplayed his own support for vouchers. The only voucher proposal in his education plan was a declaration of support for the voucher program in Washington, D.C. Instead, Mr. McCain’s plan focused on politically safer options, such as charter schools and bonus pay for teachers.”
There, fixed that.
THIS is only ONE factor. To begin with, conservatives need to support conservatives who follow conservative principles while in office.
Until the republican party rids itself of rino control (Duncan) nothing will happen except more liberalism. You have to take out the trash for the house to get clean.
” why in a county that is over 60% Republican and conservative, do we allow our local school system to be run by liberals?”
Try going to a local government meeting and it’s rare to see a conservative in attendance, while in back are a dozen liberals, welfare bums and Marxists screaming for higher taxes, more government and less freedom.
There’s your answer.
Conservatives are so focused on the federal government that they forget to clean up their own backyard first.
If every conservative had enough and did that, it would make a world of difference. Who is willing to pay the price of living more simply in order to have that happen? It seems the word "sacrifice" is no longer in the conservative's vocabulary.
The only way to correct the problem is with school vouchers, which in turn will kill off the teachers union.
Get rid of the union and you get rid of the communists!
I've been privileged to serve on the board of a Christian day school for five years, three of them as chairman.
There is no question that many Christian families who would choose this type of school do not do so because of the cost.
One of the obstacles to external fundraising is conflict and division among local churches. In my area, no single church is large or wealthy enough to support a denominational school. While a nondenominational school can in theory overcome this problem, there are always objectors, in every denomination, that the school is "too Christian", or "not Christian enough", or, inevitably, "not 'really' Christian".
While these battles go on, many children are lost.
I wonder if it would be better to push RTW bills in states?
That might be easier to sell to the average voter and with a few more RTW states all the jobs will leave the ones that don't follow suit.
I think even the RTW bills will have to bypass the state legislature and go as a ballot initiative.