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Conservatives Are Being Educated Out Of Existence
Chattanoogan.com, Chattanooga, Tenn. ^ | 2009-01-03 | Tim Price

Posted on 01/04/2009 12:27:20 AM PST by rabscuttle385

Republicans and conservatives are in jeopardy of being "educated" out of existence. That begs the question, why in a county that is over 60% Republican and conservative, do we allow our local school system to be run by liberals? Yes, while conservatives have slept, the local school systems across the country, including ours, have been completely taken over by liberals.

It is not only the liberals alone that have made this possible. It is also RINO (Republicans in name only) that have supported these liberal policies and made it possible for them to dominate the school system. Locally RINO's like Chip Baker, Richard Casavant, Joe Conner, Claude Ramsey, etc. are prime examples of politicians that have posed as Republicans basically to get elected while supporting liberal school policies and tax increases. They have been given their marching orders by the local liberal power-structure. They always support the HCEA, NEA, and whatever "…EA" that they can. What organizations can you name that are more liberal than those? Not many.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: conservatism; education; learning; leftismoncampus; liberals; moralabsolutes; nea; publicschools; rino; rinos; schools; teaching
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1 posted on 01/04/2009 12:27:20 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

The Jack Kemp effect?


2 posted on 01/04/2009 12:28:46 AM PST by screaminsunshine (.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Because we conservatives in general are gutless sheepeople. Why else would we pay thousands of dollars to left wing profs to teach our children?
3 posted on 01/04/2009 12:33:03 AM PST by Chgogal (Don't look at me. You elected them, Comrade!)
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To: Chgogal

Conservatives aren’t ‘gutless’ on most issues, but when it comes to standing up against liberals, phew.. I dunno. There’s a certain fatalism involved often, which gets the GOP and conservatives both in bad shape way too often.


4 posted on 01/04/2009 12:35:09 AM PST by MartinStyles
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To: rabscuttle385

The problem with government schools is not muerely that they TEACH Communism. They ARE Communism. Thus, even government schools with “conservatice” teachers infantilize parents, and teach collectivism, dependency, and godlessness.

The most effective weapon that the godless in America have wielded against Christianity is the confiscation of hundreds of billions of dollars from Christian mothers and fathers in order to warehouse their children for twelve years and teach them godlessness.


5 posted on 01/04/2009 12:35:49 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

You said it! ...and so did the article. So there is hope.


6 posted on 01/04/2009 12:41:10 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: rabscuttle385

kids are being de-educated


7 posted on 01/04/2009 12:48:01 AM PST by GeronL (long lost freeper)
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To: rabscuttle385

We better try a new approach. In breeding dogs; you can’t breed the bad out of the dog(example bad hips)but; you can breed the good in. That’s how you do it.

We need to start breeding the good back in.


8 posted on 01/04/2009 12:56:20 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: rabscuttle385
One big problem is that almost all teachers have to major in something called "Education." Whether the potential teacher will teach math, English or science, the teacher first and foremost has to major in Education. The Education classes are undemanding and teach a lot of Marxism. A lot of bright people who would like to teach do not go that route because they do not want to major in something as dreary as Education.

People like William Ayers are plotting the course of the Education system - to dumb down the schools, keep children from acquiring skills or even learning how to think. They want obedient if dysfunctional robots for the communist utopia the leftists are planning. Ayers rightly figured out that he can be more destructive to America by getting into the Education racket than he could be by making bombs.

9 posted on 01/04/2009 12:59:03 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Chgogal

You sir have completely identified the problem. Conservatives either lack the courage of their convictions or are completely asleep at the wheel.


10 posted on 01/04/2009 1:09:01 AM PST by mek1959
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To: Arthur McGowan
The most effective weapon that the godless in America have wielded against Christianity is the confiscation of hundreds of billions of dollars from Christian mothers and fathers in order to warehouse their children for twelve years and teach them godlessness.

The problem is in the Christian community, that the calling of parents to teach their children (which includes schooling), which is Biblical and which is not the function of government in the Bible, has been ignored. The cost of paying double for Christian day schools plus also paying for the government system (with no benefit) is a heavy sacrifice. Home schooling, an additional option, calls for the same sacrifices in another way, more time than money.

Both Christian day schools and home schooling will be under further attack under the Obamination administration.

11 posted on 01/04/2009 1:10:03 AM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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I have come to realize this is the biggest failure of the conservative movement of the last 30 years...allowing the liberals to dominate education EVEN IN CONSERVATIVE STATES.


12 posted on 01/04/2009 1:16:34 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: rabscuttle385

So now that the problem has been identified...how is it going to be corrected?


13 posted on 01/04/2009 1:19:46 AM PST by Txngal
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To: rabscuttle385

I have been writing about and asking this question for YEARS!


14 posted on 01/04/2009 1:21:07 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: rabscuttle385

The problem is that Conservative leadership has been trying to out-left the Socialist and have forgotten how to be Conservatives. Conservatives should ask if Obama is a king or a public servant. If private school is good enough for his children, then it is good enough for all children.

Did anyone hear McCain so much as mention School Vouchers this election? Did anyone hear him explain the negative impact illegals have on the education of the children of US citizens?

Perhaps I missed it, but I never heard anything close to that from McCain or Palin. So perhaps it may be to our benefit if we didn’t elect him to anything ever again and held back on the coronation of Sarah Palin as Queen of the Conservatives. Those who are really Conservative best stop playing with popularity and notoriety, like Liberals, and start voting for Conservative leaders whose actions are proof they will do as they say they will do.

We need Conservatives and we need fighters. If we don’t get a lot more Duncan Hunters and far fewer McCain’s elected in 2010, the demographics will have changed in such a way that 2012 won’t matter.


15 posted on 01/04/2009 1:30:29 AM PST by WildcatClan (AND THOSE DOESNT BRAIN JUST GO. ---- Cecile Noe)
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To: WildcatClan
Did anyone hear McCain so much as mention School Vouchers this election?

You should pay attention. If you google 'McCain Vouchers' in English over the past year there are more than 55,000 hits. Not a McCainiac, but let us try to get things correct.

16 posted on 01/04/2009 1:45:16 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Just because I am an Oogedy-Boogedy kind of guy!)
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To: tpanther; metmom

May be of interest. (NEA+RINO’s+Public Schools)


17 posted on 01/04/2009 1:47:02 AM PST by Fichori (I believe in a Woman's right to choose, even if she hasn't been born yet.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Secular society is the big push and it comes from the universities. You see it everywhere. Watch TV and you see how cool and godless it all is. The Conservative brand is ridiculed and the rare individual will stand up for it against an army of cool actors and entertainers... But that is it! There is no majority of conservatives just the odd one like a Jon Voight to dispel the countless cool bloviating liberals. This is the diet America is on. Trends, fads and more trends coming at you 24/7 to make your life hip, cool and easy. The abortion mill, gay marriage, etc., is hip, cool and easy.

So is anyone shocked! They shouldn't be. Who wants to go against the mainstream? What conservative will stick his neck out and what has he to say that strikes home to the liberals? Does he say put away your TV? How can he compete with the idea that government will give people everything so they can feel justice is met, that though they are not as wealthy and popular as a Brad Pitt, the government tried to reimburse them on some level?

This may seem far fetched but people will take everything if they feel they are owed it, even if they feel they aren't owed it. So what conservative will take candy from a baby? Or preach the hard line when people don't want the hard line? Sadly, conservatives have to fight on the liberal battlefield and that means having 1) good looks 2) youth 3) and the charismatic strength to make people forget their own tawdry life while still thinking about their own tawdry life.

Palin did it so there is hope.

18 posted on 01/04/2009 1:56:04 AM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Fichori
Vouchers, Vouchers, Vouchers would not only save the conservatives but also the inner city kids!!!!!!
I'm 41 they stopped teaching real history and changed it to politically correct social studies when I was in 6th grade. That means there are ruffly twenty years (18 to 38 year olds) of voters out there who don't know what socialism or communism is. That's why Obama is now the President - sicking!!!!!!
19 posted on 01/04/2009 2:02:29 AM PST by Pacothecat
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To: Pacothecat

Yeah, I agree.

I’m sure the NEA would try to hijack the voucher system though.

I’ve never been enrolled in public school and I do know what communism/socialism/Marxism is. (Its how you destroy a country)

The road ahead is indeed going to be very rough.


20 posted on 01/04/2009 2:10:52 AM PST by Fichori (I believe in a Woman's right to choose, even if she hasn't been born yet.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Indeed. McCain has enough bad traits in reality. We shouldn’t make stuff up about him.


21 posted on 01/04/2009 2:12:32 AM PST by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: Crimson Elephant
Apparently grassroots conservatives/christians/non-liberals aren't as likely to 'go into education' as are liberals.

Or

Once in education, the average joe ends up a liberal due to the influences of teacher unions and the propaganda of the 'educationist' agenda which has be come institutionalized in schools of Education.

22 posted on 01/04/2009 2:15:33 AM PST by x_plus_one (Muhammed and Allah = 2 memes destined for the ashheap of history.....)
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To: Txngal

Internet posters have always been much better at pointing out problems than coming up with solutions. :-)

My solutions, in a nutshell? Abolish the federal Department of Education. Phase out public schools and replace them with private schools. Control the remaining public schools at the state or local levels, rather than at the federal. Drill it into everyone’s mind that private schools are “the norm.” Get people to think of Big Government as a creator of problems, rather than a solver of them.


23 posted on 01/04/2009 2:17:33 AM PST by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: rabscuttle385

You are right — the schools have been taken over by liberals and feminists. Rush Limbaugh has hammered on this point many times. But as you suggest,the real failure is conservatives. They don’t stand tall and fight. Underlying this issue is the fact that liberals work in government(taxpayer-funded jobs)whereas conservatives tend to work for themselves or for someone else in a private enterprise. Ask yourself, “which person has more time to push their agenda?” The liberals do and over time, via their unions, etc, they have changed the laws relating to education. This is not the country of our fathers, but the world of Orwell’s “Animal Farm”, and we are the worse for it. The election of a constitutionally unqualified candidate for President is proof of that.


24 posted on 01/04/2009 2:22:17 AM PST by Sipicaknobius (sipicaknobius)
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To: rabscuttle385

Nobody can hope to prevail in any sort of a culture war while sending their children off to the enemy for indoctrination.


25 posted on 01/04/2009 2:35:08 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: rabscuttle385
The Liberal effect in school was bad enough when I was a kid. I was opposed to the Vietnam war and sympathetic to Communism until I read Ayn Rand and the history of Russian Communism.

It's way worse now and I don't know how many people will fist fight with a gang as I had done because they were annoyed with my non Liberal opinions.

26 posted on 01/04/2009 3:14:22 AM PST by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: Chgogal
Because we conservatives in general are gutless sheepeople. Why else would we pay thousands of dollars to left wing profs to teach our children?

You are right.

I wonder how many FReepers who love to bloviate and decry the problem have actually taken the time, effort, and money to go to schools and volunteer, substitute teach, or provide materials for the teachers to use.

Leftist groups do these things. For example, by providing free posters of animals, Greenpeace and similar groups lay the groundwork for their message without providing overtly partisan materials. But conservatives sit in thinik tanks publishing another white paper on how bad things are.

I have gotten emergency certification to substitute teach, and I have seen how bad it is. I saw lesson plans where the negative effects of price controls were excised, not to be taught (I finished the lesson I was assigned--and then ran a price-control roleplaying exercise >}:-)

I have volunteered, going to various schools around the state.

I have provided materials--subversive, non-partisan things like posters of the Founding Fathers.

I ran a news journal that constrasted reality with what a college newspaper ran.

I encourage my fellow FReepers to do similar tasks, if they truly love the Republic. If they just want to whine and complain, then I wish they wouldn't pretend to care.

27 posted on 01/04/2009 3:27:20 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Crimson Elephant

“I have come to realize this is the biggest failure of the conservative movement of the last 30 years...allowing the liberals to dominate education EVEN IN CONSERVATIVE STATES.”

Agreed.


28 posted on 01/04/2009 3:44:52 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: WildcatClan

“We need Conservatives and we need fighters. If we don’t get a lot more Duncan Hunters and far fewer McCain’s elected in 2010, the demographics will have changed in such a way that 2012 won’t matter.”

So very true. And we ignore it at our peril.


29 posted on 01/04/2009 3:46:39 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Fichori

“I’ve never been enrolled in public school and I do know what communism/socialism/Marxism is. (Its how you destroy a country).”

I didn’t go to a public school until I was in college in the late 1960s. There is a wide gulf between private (I went to Catholic schools) and public schools in how education is presented.


30 posted on 01/04/2009 3:50:10 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: JillValentine

“Get people to think of Big Government as a creator of problems, rather than a solver of them.”

That’s it in a nutshell. We have our work cut out for us. Unfortunately, it may take a revolution (and I mean that in the strictest sense of the word) to bring about the necessary change. America has turned its back on God. I hope and pray God does not turn His back on America.


31 posted on 01/04/2009 3:52:47 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: wendy1946

“Nobody can hope to prevail in any sort of a culture war while sending their children off to the enemy for indoctrination.”

DING! DING! DING! We have a winner! No truer words have ever been spoken.


32 posted on 01/04/2009 3:54:05 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: rabscuttle385

This problem could be solved with one simple change:

(a change which is opposed even by conservative teachers)

ELIMINATE TENURE.

It’s that simple.


33 posted on 01/04/2009 3:58:02 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Free Trade" = Fire Americans. Buy another company then fire more Americans.)
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To: Gondring

I am in my late 50s, a college graduate, a Vietnam vet, and I may very well be getting laid off from my job this year. How does one go about getting certified as an “emergency teacher”? Does one have to go back to school to a get an Education degree?


34 posted on 01/04/2009 3:58:43 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: rabscuttle385; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

35 posted on 01/04/2009 4:08:12 AM PST by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: Chgogal

I think it must be that we are fearful that our children won’t be able to make any money. The liberals have it all!! But as for gutless, I have wondered why conservatives WON’T use the court system and make it work for them, while the liberals use it constantly, even filing “lawsuits” that are basically settlement agreements to get what they want from government.


36 posted on 01/04/2009 4:13:22 AM PST by browniexyz
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To: ought-six

But you won’t get ANY HELP from the Republican Party!!! Look what they did to Palin. Look how the only candidate it could come up with was John McCain. Our PARTY is the problem—it supports big government done ITS way versus the Dem way and that’s it (No Big Difference). I”ll never forget the Clinton Health Plan— and how Bob Dole agreed to help get it passed!! DUH!!! The 1994 Pubbies said they would ABOLISH the Dept of Education and by 2000 we have BUSH-KENNEDY making it bigger, more swollen, and more disgusting than EVER!!!!


37 posted on 01/04/2009 4:22:04 AM PST by browniexyz
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To: Wilhelm Tell

As the old saying goes: “Them what can’t do, teach. Them what can’t teach, teach teaching.


38 posted on 01/04/2009 4:26:16 AM PST by oualdeaux
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To: rabscuttle385

“That begs the question, why in a county that is over 60% Republican and conservative”

This implies the country is still center-right in orientation. I don’t think that’s the case anymore at all. Were it the case, Obama wouldn’t have had a chance in November.


39 posted on 01/04/2009 4:31:24 AM PST by ScottinVA (All I needed to know about islam I learned on 9-11.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

I asked if anyone had heard him mention vouchers this election. I never said he did not. I never heard him and I was paying attention. Clearly he did not get his message out to this voter.

Many of the hits have to do with a speech he gave to the NAACP, of which I am not a member, and statements of his position. Apparently he chided Obama early in the campaign for not being for vouchers and I missed that. Perhaps I am able to filter dishonesty subconsciously and never realized it. :)

“Mr. McCain downplayed his own support for vouchers. The only voucher proposal in his education plan was a declaration of support for the voucher program in Washington, D.C. Instead, Mr. McCain’s plan focused on politically safer options, such as charter schools and bonus pay for teachers.”
http://www.nysun.com/national/mccains-education-plan-includes-a-policy-departure/82100/


40 posted on 01/04/2009 4:31:37 AM PST by WildcatClan (AND THOSE DOESNT BRAIN JUST GO. ---- Cecile Noe)
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To: rabscuttle385
while conservatives Republicans have slept, the local school systems across the country, including ours, have been completely taken over by liberals.

There, fixed that.

41 posted on 01/04/2009 4:31:49 AM PST by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: rabscuttle385

THIS is only ONE factor. To begin with, conservatives need to support conservatives who follow conservative principles while in office.


42 posted on 01/04/2009 4:32:39 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: rabscuttle385
Republicans and conservatives are in jeopardy of being "educated" out of existence.

This opening statement is based on the false premise Republicans and Conservatives are one and the same. That couldn't be more wrong. The Republican party has been moving towards the socialist left for years to expand the voter base.

Only Conservatives are in jeopardy of being educated out of existence because socialists are dumbing down school systems to exert more control over the masses.
43 posted on 01/04/2009 4:54:45 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: rabscuttle385
It is also RINO (Republicans in name only) that have supported these liberal policies and made it possible for them to dominate the school system.

Until the republican party rids itself of rino control (Duncan) nothing will happen except more liberalism. You have to take out the trash for the house to get clean.

44 posted on 01/04/2009 4:58:40 AM PST by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: rabscuttle385

” why in a county that is over 60% Republican and conservative, do we allow our local school system to be run by liberals?”

Try going to a local government meeting and it’s rare to see a conservative in attendance, while in back are a dozen liberals, welfare bums and Marxists screaming for higher taxes, more government and less freedom.

There’s your answer.

Conservatives are so focused on the federal government that they forget to clean up their own backyard first.


45 posted on 01/04/2009 5:04:12 AM PST by sergeantdave (Michigan is a bigger mistake than your state.)
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To: rabscuttle385
I can't do much for the conservative movement per se, but I did pull my children out of public school and homeschooled them.

If every conservative had enough and did that, it would make a world of difference. Who is willing to pay the price of living more simply in order to have that happen? It seems the word "sacrifice" is no longer in the conservative's vocabulary.

46 posted on 01/04/2009 5:06:01 AM PST by pray4liberty (Always vote for life!)
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To: Txngal
“So now that the problem has been identified...how is it going to be corrected?”

The only way to correct the problem is with school vouchers, which in turn will kill off the teachers union.

Get rid of the union and you get rid of the communists!

47 posted on 01/04/2009 5:09:29 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: verklaring
The cost of paying double for Christian day schools plus also paying for the government system (with no benefit) is a heavy sacrifice.

I've been privileged to serve on the board of a Christian day school for five years, three of them as chairman.

There is no question that many Christian families who would choose this type of school do not do so because of the cost.

One of the obstacles to external fundraising is conflict and division among local churches. In my area, no single church is large or wealthy enough to support a denominational school. While a nondenominational school can in theory overcome this problem, there are always objectors, in every denomination, that the school is "too Christian", or "not Christian enough", or, inevitably, "not 'really' Christian".

While these battles go on, many children are lost.

48 posted on 01/04/2009 5:21:10 AM PST by Jim Noble (Long May Our Land Be Bright With Freedom's Holy Light)
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To: Txngal
Read this old FR thread from 1999. (You mat have to hit F5 or refresh several times.) Note #17. Mission accomplished.

Communist Goals (1963)

49 posted on 01/04/2009 5:32:00 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The main stream media lied - America died.)
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To: Jim Noble
Vouchers on a state level will be tough to pass because the national teachers unions will spend millions to block it.

I wonder if it would be better to push RTW bills in states?

That might be easier to sell to the average voter and with a few more RTW states all the jobs will leave the ones that don't follow suit.

I think even the RTW bills will have to bypass the state legislature and go as a ballot initiative.

50 posted on 01/04/2009 5:35:42 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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