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Wall Street ‘red light’ on Madoff (but didn't rat him out)
FT ^ | 01/04/09 | Henny Sender

Posted on 01/04/2009 7:09:56 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Wall Street ‘red light’ on Madoff

By Henny Sender in New York

Published: January 4 2009 23:31 | Last updated: January 4 2009 23:31

Large Wall Street firms privately harboured suspicions about Bernard Madoff’s investment business, in some cases steering clients away from dealing with him, but were reluctant to share their concerns with regulators, according to US bankers.

Banks were sceptical that Mr Madoff could deliver the consistently high returns that he reported, and they were also put off by a lack of transparency at his investment firm. For these reasons, big Wall Street firms are notably absent from the long list of victims of Mr Madoff’s alleged Ponzi scheme.

Fabio Savoldelli, chief investment officer of Merrill Lynch Investment Management prior to its 2006 merger with BlackRock, sounded the warning internally years ago. One of Merrill’s financial advisers, who deals with clients worth tens of millions of dollars, recalled Mr Savoldelli’s suspicions of Mr Madoff’s returns eight years ago.

Two years ago, an internal Merrill report drawn up in connection with Merrill’s European fund of funds group, concluded the group should not deal with Mr Madoff, the financial adviser said. “We had a red light on doing business with him. There was no transparency.”

However, a fear of alienating clients who had invested with Mr Madoff prevented many Merrill executives from voicing their concerns too loudly. “You sell your product but you don’t bad-mouth others. You don’t say bad things about Bernie Madoff. That is where you cross the line,” one former Merrill staffer recalled being told by a senior executive.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ethics; goodbusiness; madoff; silence; suspicion; wallstreet
I emphasize that the fact that they knew Madoff is crooked does not mean that they are straight shooters, just in case anybody falls into a common inference trap.
1 posted on 01/04/2009 7:09:56 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; bamahead; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 01/04/2009 7:10:37 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

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ABC News: SEC Official Married into Madoff Family
... now detecting the alleged massive investment fraud undertaken by Bernard Madoff. ... former chairman of NASDAQ, Madoff was an investment advisor who catered to a ...
abcnews.go.com/Blotter/WallStreet/story?id=6471863&page=1 - 97k


3 posted on 01/04/2009 7:11:08 PM PST by Flavius
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The commentary, that part in parentheses, is very provactive. It suggest that it wasn't enough for private practitioners to simply conduct their businesses as they saw fit, but they should have gone further and "ratted him out." I don't think such a presumption is consistent with a "free market"

It is a matter of public record that the SEC was sent a detailed study on the likelihood that Madoff was running a "Ponzi scheme," yet they chose to do nothing.

4 posted on 01/04/2009 7:15:14 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Actually what I am saying is that those institutions have their own skeletons in the closet. The fact that they did not do what Madoff did does not mean that they are automatically better than Madoff.

As for the first point, it is totally up to them to keep quiet about Madoff's problem. However, this opens the possibility that there are whole lot of crooks they knew but kept quiet about.

We already know that these institutions are not good apples. There are other bad apples not outted yet but whom they know about. The whole place was pretty sinister, Byzantine web of deception and fraud. Nothing was what it is supposed to be. Transparency was and is far from their concern.

They were free to make their decision, but their decision are now poisoning the credibility of the whole industry.

5 posted on 01/04/2009 7:33:55 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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The sipc insurance absolutely does NOT cover this type of loss. That insurance has narrow applicability pertaining to in house securities that were stolen. His scam was not security based and the taxpayers are NOT going to make up a dime for these greedy people that should have known better than this PONZI. Any due diligence saw fraud all over the horizon. NO BAIL OUT!!!!!


6 posted on 01/04/2009 7:40:22 PM PST by gpepper
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The whole place was pretty sinister, Byzantine web of deception and fraud

What, Wall Street? I disagree. There are certainly elements of that -- as there are in any business, but it's innaccurate to make the assertion all inclusive.

7 posted on 01/04/2009 7:41:36 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Agreed, what is really going on is that in order for the pool of investors to be as large as possible, everyone in the Wall Street game understands that tearing each other down just results in every looking bad, reducing reputation.


8 posted on 01/04/2009 9:09:57 PM PST by ikka (Brother, you asked for it!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Then they are as responsible as he is.


9 posted on 01/04/2009 10:28:32 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Tiger—
In my small end of the economy, knowing where the land mines and bad actors are located is my competitive edge. That is the foundation of trust and repeat business.

“Knowing” something may not necessarily rise to the level of documentation needed to send someone to jail for fraud.

Red-lining a neighborhood used to be a common practice among lenders. Then, red-lining was declared illegal. The neighborhood did not get any better and major losses were incurred.

Bottom-line know your territory and know your customer.


10 posted on 01/05/2009 5:17:58 AM PST by pointsal
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I emphasize that the fact that they knew Madoff is crooked does not mean that they are straight shooters, just in case anybody falls into a common inference trap.

Yes but if the started bad mouthing him they'd be taking on aggravation for which they weren't equipped. These Wall Street firms aren't investigators and they aren't indemnified for defamation.

And as far as going to the authorities, that would be like trusting Elliot Spitzer (or Bernie's son-in-law with the SEC.)

If I were a bank, I think I'd just keep my nose out of it.

11 posted on 01/05/2009 5:29:43 AM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The fact that Wall Street understood if something's too good to be true it either isn't that good or isn't that true, is NOT a surprise. The fact that more people didn't figure that out is the surprise.

Then again every con is built on the same suppositions: too good to be true and something for nothing. Madoff offered both. If we start bailing out the gullible and weak, there will be no end.

12 posted on 01/05/2009 2:00:56 PM PST by GOPJ (GM's market value is a third of Bed, Bath and Beyond. Why is GM "too big to fail"? Steyn)
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