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Soldiers say they'd leave military if 'gay' ban lifted
One News ^ | Jan 7th, 2009

Posted on 01/07/2009 10:05:08 AM PST by TaraP

A conservative military watchdog is very concerned about a recent survey of military personnel that indicates a significant number of service members might leave the all-volunteer force if the ban on open homosexuals in the military is lifted.

The annual survey was conducted by the Military Times, which once again asked active duty personnel if they oppose the effort led by Congresswoman Ellen Tauscher (D-California) to repeal the 1993 law -- Section 654, Title 10 -- which clearly states that open homosexuals are not allowed in the military.

Approximately 58 percent of the respondents indicated that they were in favor of continuing the ban. But Elaine Donnelly, president of the Center for Military Readiness, is more astonished at the response to a question that had never been asked on that survey before.

"In essence, what would you do if the law is repealed?" she relates that question. "The Military Times found that 10 percent of respondents said they would leave the military, and an additional 14 percent said they would consider ending their careers," she points out. "Now, even if half of those numbers turned out to be an accurate prediction, that would be devastating to our volunteer force. It would pretty much destroy the military as we know it."

She believes those who might consider leaving have legitimate concerns if the law is repealed. "The new policy would be forced co-habitation with homosexuals 24-7 in all military communities," Donnelly adds. "Corollary programs to make the program work would include professional diversity training to enforce acceptance and zero tolerance of anyone who disagrees."

Donnelly expects Tauscher to reintroduce the repeal legislation within the next several weeks.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bhodod; cicobama; dontaskdonttell; exodus; gays; homosexualagenda; militaryreadiness; usmilitary
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To: PurpleMan
Everybody should have access to medical treatment for illness and injuries incurred while serving. I gather the DOD policy has already had to treat HIV infections and has established a policy of placing them in noncombatant situations, if I read between the lines correctly.
101 posted on 01/07/2009 1:29:47 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: TaraP

“Approximately 58 percent of the respondents indicated that they were in favor of continuing the ban.”

If its really that LOW its all over.


102 posted on 01/07/2009 1:45:11 PM PST by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: NucSubs
If its really that LOW its all over.

That number is a little surprising. I'd expect to see more of the younger generation of soldiers being okay with gays in the military.

Maybe this whole thing will resolve itself in a generation or two if the majority of soldiers decide that it's a non-issue. People in the military aren't immune changing societal trends, after all.

103 posted on 01/07/2009 1:50:42 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: ohioman
Most (not all) of our military comes from conservative areas of the South and Midwest

I've heard people say this, but I haven't actually seen any evidence that this is where we draw the majority of servicemen from. Seeing as a decent percentage of our military is black and hispanic, that's a pretty good chunk of servicemen who come from Democratic voting areas.

104 posted on 01/07/2009 1:58:07 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: TaraP

“She believes those who might consider leaving have legitimate concerns if the law is repealed. “The new policy would be forced co-habitation with homosexuals 24-7 in all military communities,” Donnelly adds. “Corollary programs to make the program work would include professional diversity training to enforce acceptance and zero tolerance of anyone who disagrees.”

- and soon to be an all gay armed forces with the same military readiness as the Netherlands army.


105 posted on 01/07/2009 2:01:12 PM PST by elpadre (nation)
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To: skipper18

A nation that forcibly inflicts open sex perverts upon honorable military personnel is no longer an honorable nation.


106 posted on 01/07/2009 2:27:55 PM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: swarthyguy
Or why not just enlist all of them into the O's homeland security force?
107 posted on 01/07/2009 2:41:58 PM PST by PeteePie (Antique firearms - still deadly after all these years)
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To: ETL
Love Monte Python. Most people don't catch it, I think, but it's really a commentary on how absolutely asinine liberalism is. The man who wants to be considered a woman in Life of Brian comes to mind.
108 posted on 01/07/2009 4:39:54 PM PST by fwdude ("...a 'centrist' ... has few principles - and those are negotiable." - Don Feder)
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To: TaraP
I've posted this before - if homosexuals ever get the “right” to serve openly in the military, they will be untouchable by anyone with a complaint or accusation against them. Political correctness will have come full circle, leaving corpses in its wake.
109 posted on 01/07/2009 4:45:09 PM PST by fwdude ("...a 'centrist' ... has few principles - and those are negotiable." - Don Feder)
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To: Citizen Blade

What a discouraging response.


110 posted on 01/07/2009 4:46:40 PM PST by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: Citizen Blade

I imagine at least some part of it has to do with the natural human resistance to significant change, especially when it doesn’t involve you personally. If you’re not a gay military member, then it’s harder to see why things should change, since things seem to be functioning OK.


111 posted on 01/07/2009 4:56:58 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: TaraP

Pingout tonight.


112 posted on 01/07/2009 6:00:04 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: skipper18

“If having to serve with a gay person is enough to make them abandon the defense of their nation, the military is better off without them.”

If turning the military into some kinds of fag infested social program is what the people want for their military, proving no one is serious about defense, why would anyone place their life on the line for such stupid people? If you can’t be serious why should they?


113 posted on 01/07/2009 6:37:15 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: NucSubs

I calls them likes I sees them, I guess.


114 posted on 01/07/2009 9:58:17 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: NinoFan

Personally, my view is that the onus should be on the people proposing the change in the policy to show how letting in open homosexuals will make the military more effective (or, at the very least, show how the change will be neutral in this regard). If they can do so, then I don’t think there is any valid reason to disallow open gays from the military.

As it currently stands, homosexuals can serve in the military so long as they maintain discretion. From what I’ve heard from friends in the military, unless a gay soldier goes out of their way to show their commander they are gay, most commanders will ignore this rule if following it means kicking out a good soldier.


115 posted on 01/07/2009 10:03:08 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: RJS1950
Or never lived in a barracks or field situation.

Or lived aboard ship. The sleeping is close on destroyers.

116 posted on 01/07/2009 10:23:48 PM PST by Bob
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To: Citizen Blade

Hmm, but how do you truly demonstrate that it’s more effective for America without doing it? Other countries’ militaries, for the most part, have not had a huge problem with open homosexuals, so perhaps one could argue based on that, but then the reply will be that America is not like those other countries, so it’s irrelevant.

I admit that I have a personal interest in this, but still, I’d like to think that even if I didn’t I would look at the evidence and still feel the same way. There will always be those gays who fantasize about military guys due to the macho aspect of it, but they’re not the ones who will be signing up to die for this great country. And anyone who thinks all gays are sissies is truly mistaken.


117 posted on 01/07/2009 10:39:22 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: Citizen Blade

118 posted on 01/07/2009 10:43:47 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Citizen Blade

I was not simply referring to your prediction, but what I inferred as you’re approval. Maybe I am mistaken.


119 posted on 01/08/2009 5:31:59 AM PST by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: skipper18
If having to serve with a gay person is enough to make them abandon the defense of their nation, the military is better off without them.

You'd rather they abandon their core values?

This is not about military readiness...its about another American institute battlefield that the gays want to conquer on the way to full celebration of perversion.

120 posted on 01/08/2009 5:37:12 AM PST by Archie Bunker on steroids (Joe Stalin giggles in his grave)
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