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DNR to hunters: Hand over your guns on demand
Lakeland Times ^ | 9 January, 2009 | Richard Moore

Posted on 01/10/2009 10:36:44 AM PST by marktwain

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To: douginthearmy

Could it be because he (Barfsack) hasn’t given the order yet? A good officer should never publicly speculate as to what his response will be to a purely hypothetical situation.


81 posted on 01/10/2009 1:55:20 PM PST by Dionysius
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To: Eye of Unk
From your link: FACT: If only ONE of the Joint Chiefs of Staff balks we lose an entire arm of our military ! He can not nor will not give the order to mobilize the forces if he has a reason to question the validity of that order. In fact he himself is duty bound to not obey this if not given by a "legal" President or at a minimum is conflicted as to the right thing to do !! The Oath states he will obey the lawful orders of those above him not ANY order. Chief Justice Roberts has as much as told them by distributing this case we may have a constitutional problem with Obama. So at this very moment our Military leaders are likely conflicted. Not a good thing.

First: The officers oath, which is the same oath taken by the Vice President and members of Congress, says nothing about obeying orders.

Second, command no longer goes through the individual service chiefs. It goes directly from the civilian National Command Authority to the commanders of the Geographic Combatant Commands or the Unified Commands

IOW, this guy is either a fake, or some sort of non line officer, such as a Doctor, Nurse, or JAG (who would probably know).

82 posted on 01/10/2009 1:58:26 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: mickey finn
This was the first time I have ever had a cop, or anyone, draw a gun on me, and it is unnerving to say the least.

Yeah, I guess it's the sign of the times for this kind of crap. I'd have been pissed too were I in your situation.

83 posted on 01/10/2009 4:08:47 PM PST by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: Stentor
If the warden needs to check to see if there is a plug in your auto-5...

What has caused him to need to do that?

It's illegal to hunt migratory game birds and in some states other birds, with more than 1 round in the chamber and 2 in the magazine.

Just as in Britain, the fish and game laws are often the first to encroach on Constitutional rights, in this case the right to not be stopped and searched without a warrant of probable cause. Of course if they saw you shoot more than 3 times, then they'd have probable cause.

84 posted on 01/10/2009 4:23:19 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: marktwain

As ex-president Heston would say:

“From my cold, dead hands...”

Very cold, here in WI.


85 posted on 01/10/2009 4:42:26 PM PST by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: Ron Jeremy

“That’s BS. If the warden needs to check to see if there is a plug in your auto-5, he should be allowed to inspect your gun, he should just not be allowed to confiscate it.”

Not really. He can simply ask you to show him it’s installed. I’ve been asked this by an EnCon officer here in NY. He wasn’t keen on taking my gun apart and in fact felt more comfortable with me doing it as I was more familiar with my own gun.


86 posted on 01/10/2009 4:50:33 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: mickey finn

In a sane world the complainant would have been ticketed or arrested for making a false complaint to the police.


87 posted on 01/10/2009 4:55:18 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: reformedliberal

“The hunter was within his rights.”

I’m glad you guys were OK.

The hunter had no “right” to shoot at your house. The irresponsibility was his and he should rightly be held accountable for it. The first thing taught in hunter ed was “be sure of your target and what’s beyond it.”


88 posted on 01/10/2009 5:03:43 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: marktwain

...”put the gun in your mouth and pull the trigger or I shoot you in the head”...


89 posted on 01/10/2009 5:09:53 PM PST by gargoyle (..."If this be treason, make the most of it.". Patrick Henry...)
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To: headstamp 2

He was shooting into trees at a lower elevation and far enough away that he probably couldn’t even see the house. He did have the right to hunt squirrels. I agree he was careless, but it was likely he lacked training or understanding that his bullet could go so far. When you are down where he was and look up towards our house, it is not visible. All you can see is trees.

I was angry about it and a little nervous for a while. I understand the people in the article who were anxious over hunters on the neighboring land, although birdshot isn’t nearly the problem .22s are. But, the pheasant hunters were behaving properly.

I guess I was just trying to present both sides.


90 posted on 01/10/2009 5:19:49 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: 43north

“coming soon to the woods nearest you.”

If folks end up having to take to the woods, law enforcement has to have something pre-established that enables them to have at you there.


91 posted on 01/10/2009 5:19:50 PM PST by combat_boots ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."Aldous Huxley)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
> if police officers take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution as the military do?

Presidents take that oath too, and we've seen over and over again exactly how valuable that "oath" is....

92 posted on 01/10/2009 5:27:04 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Doc91678
> What was it that Charlton Heston used to say

"Take you stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape" ?

93 posted on 01/10/2009 5:30:04 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: reformedliberal

I totally understand your view on this. I was never mad about shooting rifles up into the trees for squirrel hunting though it’s perfectly legal in some areas. If the bullet doesn’t hit the tree for a backstop it’s going to go flying off who knows where. It’s basically equivalent to shooting a rifle up into the air.

Whenever I’ve hunted squirrel with a rifle I usually go for the shots that are horizontal or toward ground level. I’m reluctant to shoot overhead into the trees. For that we usually use a shotgun with 4, 5, or 6 shot.

Take Care.


94 posted on 01/10/2009 6:14:50 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: marktwain

“Wisconsin law does not specifically prohibit the open carrying of loaded or unloaded firearms in public, but a person doing so may risk being arrested, and charged with disorderly conduct, on the grounds that the display threatens the public peace or safety,”

Everytime I see a cop openly carrying a firearm, I feel threatened about my peace and safety. Can I have him arrested for disorderly conduct?


95 posted on 01/10/2009 6:33:08 PM PST by kickstart ("A gun is a tool. It is only as good or as bad as the man who uses it" . Alan Ladd in 'Shane')
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To: Ron Jeremy
That's BS. If the warden needs to check to see if there is a plug in your auto-5, he should be allowed to inspect your gun, he should just not be allowed to confiscate it.

Except, why is there a law to have a plug in your auto-5?

96 posted on 01/10/2009 6:55:11 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: DariusBane
How about defusing the whole situation by vastly reducing the reasons for primary traffic stops? I will accept the increased risk of traffic accidents and even death in return for freedom.

Same here.

97 posted on 01/10/2009 6:58:29 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Hodar
If we were to get arrested for Exhibition Driving, speeding, running a stop sign, reckless endangerment, eluding police and a DWI, the police cannot confiscate our cars.

Around here, your car gets confiscated on the first DWI offense and is sold at auction long before the case is adjudicated.

98 posted on 01/10/2009 7:30:04 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: DoughtyOne
He is advocating a policy that is against the state’s current laws.

Cite the Statute please.

L

99 posted on 01/10/2009 7:36:12 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: marktwain

What if these same cop “Wannabes” demand that you hand over your CAR? Must you give it to them? And cars are NOT protected by the Constitittion, but guns ARE. What if they demands a strip-search? THAT is not in the Consitution either, but guns are! Then what?


100 posted on 01/10/2009 7:54:53 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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