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On Hyperinflation (Dire predictions. Be forewarned.)
The Market Ticker - Commentary on the Capital Markets ^ | 1/12/09 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 01/12/2009 10:10:30 AM PST by randita

On "Hyperinflation"

The Market Ticker

Monday, January 12. 2009

at 09:44


On "Hyperinflation"

Let's put this to rest right here and now.

"Hyperinflation", or even "Serious Inflation" (similar to what we had in the 1970s) is impossible without a means to transmit the rise in prices into wages.

In today's United States that simply cannot happen for two reasons:

  • The union representation of workers has been eviscerated due to their own idiocy over the previous thirty years. In effect, they have no power to impact economic or labor policy - no matter what Gettlefinger thinks.
  • Outsourcing of work to China, India, Mexico and other nations makes wage demands impossible for American workers to enforce. Such demands simply result in the loss of the job to overseas workers.

As a consequence a hyper-inflationary or even seriously-inflationary spiral is impossible to sustain.

Think about your associates, people who you know in the middle class.

Now consider that a 10% inflation rate (moderately bad "serious inflation" ala 1970s) goes on for four years.

This raises the cost of living for everyone by 46%.

How many people who you know are saving 46% of their income? How many will survive a 46% increase in their cost of living?

Such an outcome will result in half or more of America becoming immediately homeless, hungry, and as a consequence out of work. It will as a consequence crash GDP by 50% or more immediately which in turn will crash income tax receipts by a like amount at both state and federal levels.

This will in turn crash prices, but at that point it's too late as now the price crash in turn destroys what remains of the business community and further crashes tax receipts, while at the same time foreign bond investors throw up their hands and say "screw you!", cutting off all foreign capital inflows to the government.

Down that road lies immediate insurrection - that is, the violent overthrow of the government. You are delusional if you think the military could stop such a thing - 150 million Americans, maybe even 200 million of the 300 million in our population? Not a prayer in hell, even if all the Americans had was pitchforks, torches and a gallon of gasoline, and they don't - they have firearms, and lots of them. Even the Chinese, who are (by demonstrated act) willing to roll tanks over their own people would have no chance against 100 million of their citizens if hunger ever trumps fear.

This didn't happen in the 1970s because we had vastly more union work representation and they were able to force wages to keep pace for the average working man. While the pinch was bad (I grew up in it and remember it vividly) society never degenerated because the self-reinforcing crash of production, jobs and tax income never happened, and as a consequence the sort of mass-unemployment, disenfranchisement and loss of essential human needs did not come about.

Today the average working man works for WalMart or some other non-union shop and has no wage pricing power; ergo, there is absolutely no way to prevent the implosion from initiating.

The government must not engage in any sort of policy that could lead to this outcome. Absolute protection at the top levels of government must be put in place to prevent it, because if this occurs then everything - absolutely everything - that we know and love about America disappears.

This is where the Peter Schiffs and McHughs are wrong in their hyperinflation thesis and their "defensive" measures to try to do something about it (or worse, McHugh's belief that not only is this inevitable but that the government should intentionally cause it through something like a "money drop" to households.)

They are wrong because if this outcome occurs there will be no United States of America, your gold will be confiscated and/or rendered worthless by executive fiat, and at approximately the same time an angry marauding mob consisting of half the population of the country will literally loot and burn everything to the ground.

Vengence inevitably follows when justice is denied for a long enough or in an egregious enough fashion. We have seen this with Rodney King and now with the apparent BART assasination of a suspect in Oakland, and that was one man who was abused at the hands of government. Make the abuse half the population and there is a zero chance that civil and political order is maintained.

Pray that our nation's leaders aren't stupid enough to set in motion such a course of action either by accident or under the foolish belief that they can "keep the outcome under control".

Time is running out to demand and obtain justice folks. America's clock is literally ticking towards zero.

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To: GOPJ
It was like the bailout dog and pony show.

Before it, supposedly, the great ideological struggle between supposed limited government Republicans and protective of the little guy Democrats was a long going, fierce war. Then Paulson says he need like half a years budget, and he gets it as fast as it appears seemly to do so. But, there was never any real doubt.

Now the fakers can go back to quibbling about a billion here or there.

121 posted on 01/13/2009 3:01:35 AM PST by Leisler (It is always said it is for the children. (Not your children..others...somewhere))
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To: bushwon

Go to the website and find out.


122 posted on 01/13/2009 6:12:58 AM PST by randita (If the government could "fix" the economy, we'd never have a recession.)
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To: hiredhand
I wanted to reply more in-depth to you, but essentially you stated exactly what I would have posted.

Last night, I was thinking about your post and this thread as I sat around talking with a neighbor who I forward articles to and he was again asking me for advice. As though I'm the one with the answers. I went through the basic personal money management thoughts (pay off your debt, save 3 months worth of expenses at home, keep your job, no matter how much you hate it, etc, etc), and some preparation ideas, such as KABA matters and basic sustenance. The truth is that most people have no idea how to be remotely self-sufficient. It is like their brain shuts down and cannot process basic logic. And he is just one of a group of friends who are going through similar thinking.

He has enough foresight to see the potential danger, but his mind will not let him come to grasp it. He waffles between “what do I need to do to prepare my family for potential unrest” and “this is outrageous, it can't happen here”. There are many people out there who think everything is just fine. "After all, look how busy Walmart is, and the restaurants and bars."

So I asked him to think it through with various scenarios. That helped a bit.

And, you know, we live in South Florida, where we routinely go through the hurricane prep days before a big storm is due to hit us. After years of episodic power outages for as long as two to three weeks some times, no gas, no work, no bank, no stores open, you'd think that men would learn a bit more than they do. But maybe I expect to much.

I ran through the basics. He thought I was “paranoid”. So, I suggested that he goes to ready.gov and look at how the fedgov thinks he should be prepared. And that site is simply about national disasters. So if the fedgov think citizens should be that prepared all the time, use your judgment about the potential future.

So many people think that “it could never happen here”, or that “the government would allow that to happen”. Really, without tilting your hand too much, all you can do is forward articles that you read and inform them so they can decide for themselves.

I mention the tilting your hand, because then there runs through my mind another thought. Let's say the time comes that the ecomony plummets in a worse case, or near worse case scenario. If you're not careful everyone shows up at your house, if for not other reason than the sheer fact that you were the one that saw it coming and maybe you have some more ideas. Too late. Now, how many of your unprepared friends and family can your preparations support? And where does your charity end and their responsibility begin. Tought questions.

Christ said that when he returns, blesed are those found feeding his sheep.
"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns." Mat.24:45-46

...food for thought. (pun not intended)

123 posted on 01/13/2009 6:45:56 AM PST by woollyone ("When the tide is low, even a shrimp has its own puddle." - Vance Havner)
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To: blam

I bought six cases in assorted sizes and extra lids. I have a regular waterbath canner but wil be adding a pressure canner as soon as they appear in stores. I also have extra beer bottles and will be stocking up on crown caps. As soon as the garage is cleaned out, I’m getting a pair of rabbits JUST IN CASE. The original rabbits can live out their lives as pets, but if things get bad I’ll breed them and ‘process’ the offspring.


124 posted on 01/13/2009 7:38:24 AM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: chris_bdba

Raising the minimum wage is practically meaningless because the value of the dollar is, by definition, tied to the value of mundane (commodity) labor. Raise minimum wage and prices rise accordingly. A gallon of gas is worth about 20 minutes of floor sweeping, and raising the number of dollars paid for that work will simply raise the number of dollars required to buy socially equivalent goods. The only benefit of raising minimum wage, other than political benefit from ignorance, is the delay between raising wages and corresponding price increases.


125 posted on 01/13/2009 8:05:26 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: nina0113
"I also have extra beer bottles and will be stocking up on crown caps."

Good for you. What do you plan to put in the bottes?

Pressure Cookers

126 posted on 01/13/2009 8:13:10 AM PST by blam
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To: blam; Lurker

Beer OR hard cider (I almost wrote “and” but I knew somebody’d get all sarky about how awful a mix that would be). The hard cider I made last fall fermented naturally without added yeast (thanks Lurker!), so that might be simpler than trying to keep a yeast colony going. I will be planting hops this year though.


127 posted on 01/13/2009 8:21:00 AM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: autumnraine

Push come to shove, words on paper mean little.


128 posted on 01/13/2009 8:43:30 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: norraad

People do. Google “M3b”.


129 posted on 01/13/2009 8:45:34 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: nina0113
and will be stocking up on crown caps.

You may want to look at Grosch type bottles. They're much easier to seal. All you need to replace are the little rubber rings every few times you bottle.

They're a bit more expensive at first, but I find they're much easier to deal with.

L

130 posted on 01/13/2009 8:49:58 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Lurker

I have some, but I think if I tried to stockpile the little rubber thingies, they’d dryrot in a couple of years. If I doublebag the crown caps, they should last forever.


131 posted on 01/13/2009 9:01:42 AM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: nina0113
Good point. I've been using the same ones for about 3 years without a lot of trouble, though.

I've got crown caps coming out of my ears. I get a bag with every kit I buy!

132 posted on 01/13/2009 9:07:06 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: randita

Go to the website and find out.

<<I did, but did not have any information about who Karl Denninger is—except to give him credit as author. I am not familiar with him and am interested in what he has done, experience, etc...Seems to provide a lot of depth, but I have become more of a skeptic over last couple years regarding investments, finance, etc. So, as website says nothing about him, guess I will google him. Thx.


133 posted on 01/13/2009 6:18:28 PM PST by Freedom56v2
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Economic Illiteracy Of The NY Times
Boycott The New York Times | January 12, 2009 | Don Feder
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134 posted on 01/14/2009 4:17:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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