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BART victim was 'restrained' when officer shot him, police say
SF Gate ^ | January 14, 2009 | Demian Bulwa, Wyatt Buchanan, Matthew Yi

Posted on 01/14/2009 8:54:27 PM PST by indcons

The unarmed man killed by former BART police Officer Johannes Mehserle on an Oakland train platform early New Year's Day put up a brief struggle with officers but had been restrained and had both arms behind him when he was shot in the back, police investigators said.

The conclusion by Oakland police, contained in a legal filing made public Wednesday, contributed to Alameda County prosecutors' decision to charge Mehserle, 27, with murdering 22-year-old Oscar Grant of Hayward.

It was an extraordinary decision. Several legal experts said they could recall no instance of a police officer in California being charged with murder for an on-duty incident, and Alameda County District Attorney Tom Orloff said he had never brought such a case in his 14 years on the job.

But the circumstances of the case are equally extraordinary, in that the shooting was filmed by several BART passengers and Mehserle has refused to talk to investigators about why he shot Grant. Orloff said Wednesday that both factors played into his decision to charge Mehserle with murder.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: bart; donutwatch; mehserle; murder; screwedthepooch
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1 posted on 01/14/2009 8:54:28 PM PST by indcons
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To: indcons

Life in prison should be quite interesting for Johannes Mehserle.


2 posted on 01/14/2009 8:59:18 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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Eh. They are only doing this to this cop because this was all caught on tape.


3 posted on 01/14/2009 9:01:50 PM PST by Eyes Unclouded (We won't ever free our guns but be sure we'll let them triggers go....)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Before that, they tried their best to lie about the incident. Thank God for cell phone videos.


4 posted on 01/14/2009 9:02:58 PM PST by indcons (An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Yes, most murderers do not have their crime posted on YouTube.


5 posted on 01/14/2009 9:03:03 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: indcons

There must also be video recoded by BART security cameras in the station.


6 posted on 01/14/2009 9:04:30 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
The BART cameras didn't record anything.

I've only seen one video of this, which was not very clear, but from what I could tell, the cop just screwed up big time. The other cops already had the guy on the ground, then Mehserle stands up, unholsters his gun, and it goes off. Doesn't look like he did it intentionally, but at the same time there was no reason to pull out his pistol either. Anyway, he's not talking for now, but I'm sure he and his lawyer will come up with some excuse.

7 posted on 01/14/2009 9:12:20 PM PST by smokingfrog (Never underestimate the influence of a wife who bitch-slaps her husband in public.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Any cop that was with him that did not report what really happened, should be charged with assessory to murder.


8 posted on 01/14/2009 9:14:27 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: smokingfrog

a gun does not just jump out of a holster and go off killing a man.

He pulled that trigger and with intent.


9 posted on 01/14/2009 9:14:34 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

You must be a mind reader.


10 posted on 01/14/2009 9:21:28 PM PST by smokingfrog (Never underestimate the influence of a wife who bitch-slaps her husband in public.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Reminds me of a youtube video of a bunch of officers corralling a guy and this female deputy accidentally shoots her gun in their direction. In an adrenaline moment you can’t put your finger on the trigger unless you are intending to shoot.


11 posted on 01/14/2009 9:30:44 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

It’s still out there, here’s the web address:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ez34Kg86AU&feature=related


12 posted on 01/14/2009 9:38:37 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: indcons
Mehserle has refused to talk to investigators about why he shot Grant.

He lawyered up. Smart move on his part. He knows it's a bad idea to talk to LE without a lawyer there.

/johnny

13 posted on 01/14/2009 9:48:46 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I hope she’s not still a police officer.


14 posted on 01/14/2009 9:52:30 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: indcons
I'll stick my neck out and make a prediction. Remember OJ and his trial? Remember the Rodney King police trial?

What happens is the prosecutor gets all pumped up and over charges the perp. OJ could have easily been found guilty of manslaughter, 2nd degree murder or some other lesser charge, but they went for murder one. The jury wasn't going to send OJ in for life or lethal injection so they just let him go. They tried to get the Rodney King police officers for attempted murder, instead of assault. This guy can get a lesser sentence or get completely off if the over shoot on the charge. Murder is a tough one if they can't prove his state of mind was to kill the guy. If he just injects the doubt that the guy had his hand under his body and the policeman thought he might have a gun in his belt, or maybe he was mistaken and reached for his tazer but pulled the gun instead, you could have a hung jury. The article says his hands were behind his back per the film, but the officer could say he thought he saw his hand going for his pants.

It's a tough case either way, but to get murder, you pretty much need to prove he thought and planed for awhile. Heaven help him if he screamed "Die Nig%^$" right before he pulled the trigger. It would also be inconvenient to have a white sheet hanging in the closet and swastika tattoo's. Anything short of that may get a lesser sentence.

15 posted on 01/14/2009 10:11:01 PM PST by chuckles
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“Several legal experts said they could recall no instance of a police officer in California being charged with murder for an on-duty incident, and Alameda County District Attorney Tom Orloff said he had never brought such a case in his 14 years on the job.”

I remember 2 California cops that were charged with murder from an on-duty incident.

The first is Craig Peyer-CHP officer arrested and convicted in the 1986 strangulation killing of Kara Knott in San Diego.

The second is another CHP officer arrested and convicted for murdering a motorist after a traffic stop way back in the early 70’s as I recall. I forget the name and the details.


16 posted on 01/14/2009 10:16:41 PM PST by OCMike
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What happens is the prosecutor gets all pumped up and over charges the perp. OJ could have easily been found guilty of manslaughter, 2nd degree murder or some other lesser charge, but they went for murder one.

You have got to be kidding. OH took gloves and an "assault knife" to call on his ex-wife. This is as good an example of premeditation as I can imagine.

That he killed Ron Goldman was no doubt an "accident," since apparently Ron was just in the right place at the wrong time, but he definitely planned to kil the woman.

17 posted on 01/14/2009 10:39:30 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: OCMike

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Peyer


18 posted on 01/15/2009 12:03:33 AM PST by packrat35 (To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women...)
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To: OCMike
...in that the shooting was filmed by several BART passengers and Mehserle has refused to talk to investigators about why he shot Grant. Orloff said Wednesday that both factors played into his decision to charge Mehserle with murder.

So exercising the right to remain silent will also be used against you in the court of law. I can't believe the D.A. would cite that as a factor in charging this guy. The nonexistence of evidence is not going to get you a guilty verdict.

I have a sneaking suspicion that we will see a repeat of the first Rodney King verdicts with the DA trying to push a charge he won't be able to prove.

19 posted on 01/15/2009 12:05:47 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: trumandogz
a gun does not just jump out of a holster and go off killing a man.

It's been known to happen.

20 posted on 01/15/2009 12:06:41 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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