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COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum. (Trolling 101)
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Posted on 01/16/2009 12:36:53 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator

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To: Kevmo; little jeremiah
This sounds like a reasonable definition. LJ has a list of 25 or so thread-specific (certifiGate) trolls. How do we get JimRob and the mods to move on them if this is the accepted definition?

If you think someone is trolling, just click abuse on the thread and we'll look into it. Just remember that critically thinking on a subject isn't necessarily trolling. We've had reports (not from you) on people who where simply discussing or debating the legal issues that we didn't see as trolling.

If the case is strong, debating the details will strengthen your argument and shore up your case. If the case is not strong, it will expose holes you can fill.

81 posted on 01/16/2009 2:22:48 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator
Let’s try to help you with that formatting:

Thanks... I just didn't want to flood the thread with another post. I had forgotten that it didn't word-wrap with the <PRE> tags (which I had used for the "classic look." :-)

82 posted on 01/16/2009 2:23:06 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: 2banana
“Let's talk about homosexual minority humpback whales...”

LOL! Ok if I borrow that sometimes?? :)

83 posted on 01/16/2009 2:26:31 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: Kevmo
How do we get JimRob and the mods to move on them if this is the accepted definition?

Decades of experience has shown that the most effective way to deal with trolling is to ignore those who troll.

You might have heard the expression, "Don't feed the trolls." Just like a fisherman trolling a lake and not getting any bites, someone trolling will give up if nobody takes the bait. It's when they get a reaction that they continue.

84 posted on 01/16/2009 2:29:20 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Admin Moderator
Just remember that critically thinking on a subject isn't necessarily trolling. We've had reports (not from you) on people who where simply discussing or debating the legal issues that we didn't see as trolling.

Thank you for pointing this out.

As my tagline leaves out, it wouldn't have been much good if Paul Revere had been gunned down as a troll. It's bad enough dodging musket balls from head-in-sand types, let alone the grapeshot of the Mods! :-)

85 posted on 01/16/2009 2:33:12 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: AmericanGirlRising

AGR, I thought you may find this interesting.

HollyB


86 posted on 01/16/2009 2:40:26 PM PST by HollyB
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To: 2banana

bump


87 posted on 01/16/2009 2:55:05 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
Missing...

The "Look at this terrible article" gambit, followed by mild criticism

The troll hopes to force many readers to at least read the article, which would otherwise be totally ignored.

88 posted on 01/16/2009 2:56:19 PM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
The less time we have to clean

You too, huh? This place is a MESS!!!! ;)

89 posted on 01/16/2009 2:56:27 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: Kevmo

Keyword spam?


90 posted on 01/16/2009 3:03:57 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Admin Moderator
6. Force them to document their claims: Even if Harry Hoinkus states outright that he likes tomato sauce on his pasta, you should demand documentation. If Newsweek hasn’t written an article on Harry’s pasta preferences, then Harry’s obviously lying.

This was Bernie Ward's entire Schtick. You remember? the San Francisco Radio pervert who finally got busted and disappeared?

It was painful listening to that loser.

91 posted on 01/16/2009 3:05:12 PM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Admin Moderator; little jeremiah; hoosiermama

If you think someone is trolling, just click abuse on the thread and we’ll look into it.
***Is the process out in the open or is it cloaked in such a way that we can only see the end result? I prefer an open system, lots of daylight, so that others can learn from the mistakes of current trolls and, perhaps, people like me might learn what constitutes trolldom if we have the wrong idea. That brings up another question — is this the Free Republic definition of Troll?

Just remember that critically thinking on a subject isn’t necessarily trolling.
***Quite the contrary. It’s the absense of critical thinking that is trolling, as set forward in the definition and the first thing mentioned, “An individual who ...regularly posts specious arguments”.

We’ve had reports (not from you) on people who where simply discussing or debating the legal issues that we didn’t see as trolling.
***So it appears there’s a cloaked approach rather than out in the open. How will all of us learn if the process is hidden? It doesn’t strike me as healthy that we could pull the trigger on 25 trolls and it would be a mystery to them as well as those arguing alongside them. People should have a chance to change their behavior.

If the case is strong, debating the details will strengthen your argument and shore up your case. If the case is not strong, it will expose holes you can fill.
***Do you mean the case for whether a person is a troll? Or do you mean the case for an issue? If we’re constantly covering the same arguments then it’s a clear case “that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand”.


92 posted on 01/16/2009 3:28:28 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Admin Moderator

It is one thing to request clarification of an issue and state you don’t agree.

It is another to take every sentence of every post and state an opposing statement. Argueing IS NOT debating an issue.

OTOH when the poster asks a questions is given material to read that answers that question...and immediatly posts a negative without reading said material. It is obvious that the person is only trying to disrupt the flow of the thread. This is a technique used by posters who appear and disappear in multiples.

I posted to one earlier after giving them a link to this thread which they obviously ignored (no one reads that fast):
It’s like a pregnant girl who doesn’t know which one of the football team is her baby’s daddy......swears she’s not a slut.

Compare your postings with those described by the moderator’s post...

If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck....It sure ain’t no elephant


93 posted on 01/16/2009 3:55:34 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Ping!


94 posted on 01/16/2009 4:00:44 PM PST by basil
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To: Sidebar Moderator

While were in discussion, is there anything that can be done to the individual that fill the keyword space with garbage? It seems to appear when certain groups make their appearance.


95 posted on 01/16/2009 4:03:02 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: hoosiermama
Arguing IS NOT debating an issue.

Is too.

< /Monty Python >

96 posted on 01/16/2009 4:14:45 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

IS SNOT !


97 posted on 01/16/2009 4:16:29 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: rabscuttle385; All
Thanks.

Is this story real? There are a couple (maybe more) standard American English inconsistencies--notably,the more British "favour" vs "favor" and "abusing there powers" that caught my eye. There was another sentence that sounded a bit "off", but I'm too lazy to look it up...

Oh, wait...am I being a Troll by asking this question?

98 posted on 01/16/2009 4:19:03 PM PST by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator; All

“Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction.”

Just tell me who they are and I will hunt them down like the dogs they are and will kick their @sses! ;)


99 posted on 01/16/2009 4:19:54 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

“It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position.”

Kin I have one a dem dare ‘Moderater Poz-ish-eons?’ :)


100 posted on 01/16/2009 4:21:29 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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