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Deadliest weapon so far... the plague
The Sun ^ | 1/19/09 | ALEX WEST

Posted on 01/18/2009 7:29:17 PM PST by null and void

ANTI-TERROR bosses last night hailed their latest ally in the war on terror — the BLACK DEATH.

At least 40 al-Qaeda fanatics died horribly after being struck down with the disease that devastated Europe in the Middle Ages.

The killer bug, also known as the plague, swept through insurgents training at a forest camp in Algeria, North Africa. It came to light when security forces found a body by a roadside.

The victim was a terrorist in AQLIM (al-Qaeda in the Land of the Islamic Maghreb), the largest and most powerful al-Qaeda group outside the Middle East.

It trains Muslim fighters to kill British and US troops.

Now al-Qaeda chiefs fear the plague has been passed to other terror cells — or Taliban fighters in Afghanistan.

One security source said: “This is the deadliest weapon yet in the war against terror. Most of the terrorists do not have the basic medical supplies needed to treat the disease.

“It spreads quickly and kills within hours. This will be really worrying al-Qaeda.”

Black Death comes in various forms.

Bubonic Plague is spread by bites from infected rat fleas. Symptoms include boils in the groin, neck and armpits. In Pneumonic Plague, airborn bacteria spread like flu.

It can be in the body for more than a week — highly contagious but not revealing tell-tale symptoms.

The al-Qaeda epidemic began in the cave hideouts of AQLIM in Tizi Ouzou province, 150km east of the capital Algiers. The group, led by wanted terror boss Abdelmalek Droudkal, was forced to turn its shelters in the Yakouren forest into mass graves and flee.

The extremists supporting madman Osama bin Laden went to Bejaia and Jijel provinces — hoping the plague did not go with them.

A source said: “The emirs (leaders) fear surviving terrorists will surrender to escape a horrible death.”

AQLIM boss Droudkal claims to command around 1,000 insurgents. Training camps are also based in Morocco, Tunisia and Nigeria.

AQLIM bombed the UN headquarters in Algiers in 2007, killing 41. Attacks across Algeria last year killed at least 70 people.

In an interview last July, Droudkal boasted his cell was in constant contact with other al-Qaeda “brothers”.


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I hope they stay there.
1 posted on 01/18/2009 7:29:18 PM PST by null and void
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To: Judith Anne; Smokin' Joe; Mother Abigail; RandallFlagg; neverdem; EBH; vetvetdoug; Global2010; ...

ping


2 posted on 01/18/2009 7:30:30 PM PST by null and void (KENYAN GO HOME!)
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To: null and void

The One will wave his magic wand and keep us all safe.


3 posted on 01/18/2009 7:31:06 PM PST by tips up
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To: null and void

I wonder how long it will take the Bush Derangement Syndrome idiots to blame it on the US.


4 posted on 01/18/2009 7:31:48 PM PST by pfflier
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To: null and void

This incident has God’s hand all over it. yup.


5 posted on 01/18/2009 7:32:58 PM PST by Ancient Drive (will)
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To: null and void

Good news.Divine intervention?


6 posted on 01/18/2009 7:33:38 PM PST by steamroller
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To: pfflier

“Hell, they didn’t event know what a latrine was until I showed em”...General George S. Patton.


7 posted on 01/18/2009 7:33:38 PM PST by Patrick1 (conform and celebrate diversity¬Ö.or else!!!)
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To: null and void

This could be a terrorist plan to spread the highly infectious disease throughout the Western nations by having these infected people (who are contagious) infect the populations they are in...

I’ve heard that they were experimenting with that idea...


8 posted on 01/18/2009 7:33:45 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: tips up

That’s what less than half of the US voters and the rest of the %5 fraudulent votes (rough guess, they even had them live on cnn) believe.


9 posted on 01/18/2009 7:35:22 PM PST by allmost
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To: Star Traveler

Is there a vaccine?


10 posted on 01/18/2009 7:35:58 PM PST by CH3CN
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To: Star Traveler

A fitting plan for their 10th Century mentality.


11 posted on 01/18/2009 7:38:17 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Star Traveler

But in western countries there is readily available and effective treatment (if the illness is detected soon enough). This is not true for a lot of countries where terrorists originate. Such a plan might seriously backfire, decimating the ranks of potential recruits.


12 posted on 01/18/2009 7:40:41 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: CH3CN

Unless it’s engineered and/or weaponized, rodent traps and antibiotics.


13 posted on 01/18/2009 7:41:32 PM PST by allmost
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To: Ancient Drive

It is allah’s will. Praise be his name for this but may his name be spat upon, otherwise.


14 posted on 01/18/2009 7:42:53 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: null and void
The question is: Is this a natural strain brought on by fleas carrying the organism in a natural sequence of events or is this a weaponized strain that they were handling that got loose?
15 posted on 01/18/2009 7:43:14 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: CH3CN

No vaccine, since the disease is a bacterium and not a virus.

But it can be treated with anti-biotics.


16 posted on 01/18/2009 7:43:36 PM PST by jerry557
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To: CH3CN
Is there a vaccine?

I got shots for it in the Army. I wonder how long they are good for? Anyone know?

17 posted on 01/18/2009 7:44:04 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: vetvetdoug

$64,000...


18 posted on 01/18/2009 7:48:45 PM PST by null and void (KENYAN GO HOME!)
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To: steamroller

I hope because the other two options would be either we did it to them (possible but I doubt it) or they were practicing / preparing to use it meaning they have their hands on the stuff. I’d have some fear of that here in the states but I would be Europe would be an easier target for them. Hope its Divine intervention myself.
Germany did not use chemical weapons for two reasons in WW2, One they were not precise and two once one side uses it the gloves are off. Bio weapons are somewhat similar logic.


19 posted on 01/18/2009 7:51:09 PM PST by jafojeffsurf (A Bleak Future?)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

You said — “But in western countries there is readily available and effective treatment (if the illness is detected soon enough). This is not true for a lot of countries where terrorists originate. Such a plan might seriously backfire, decimating the ranks of potential recruits.”

Yeah, maybe it won’t be as effective as they think. But, then again, the health system could become overwhelmed, too, if it were a large enough crisis.

However, I would be worried more about direct terrorists attacks like concealed nukes in this country, several set to go off at the same time in major cities. That seems more likely to me...


20 posted on 01/18/2009 7:51:40 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: null and void
Most of the terrorists do not have the basic medical supplies needed to treat the disease.

Well damn the luck. Shame they don't have the technical skills to develop so much as an aspirin, let alone an antibiotic. Live by the sixth century, die by the sixth century.

21 posted on 01/18/2009 7:53:55 PM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: Star Traveler

The question is, how well would it spread today in a modernized western country?

A problem in 12th century Europe was they did not know the cause, they did not know the organism, and they did not have anti-biotics.

The cause were rats which were carrying infected fleas from trade ships. There was also sanitary problems back then. We don’t typically have rats running through our homes. In the west, we keep the rat population restrained with traps and poison. Flas are also bombed with chemicals. We know what symptoms for hospitals to look for which activate quarantine procedures. And we also have anti-biotics that can cure the disease. The original strain is not yet resistant to anti-biotics.
Of course, there can be a serious problem if this were to hit a 3rd world country.

But it is not likely you will have an epidemic anywhere near as severe as Europe experienced in the 12th century. But the fear caused by any outbreak at all would do the job the terrorists want it to do.


22 posted on 01/18/2009 7:57:15 PM PST by jerry557
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To: null and void

well, they do live in the dark ages.


23 posted on 01/18/2009 7:57:38 PM PST by Ladycalif (Free - Ramos and Compean)
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To: CH3CN
Is there a vaccine?

Don't need one. Just basic antibiotics fixes it. The southwest US is a reservoir for yersinia pestis, due to it being imported along with all the Chines railroad workers in the 19th century - the fleas carrying it infested the local rodentia, and we'll never get rid of it now. There's a case or two every year. I got curious and called the CDC in Atlanta a few years ago and they sent me a large envelope of information - several hundred pages, and I read them all. No worries.

24 posted on 01/18/2009 7:57:52 PM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
I got shots for it in the Army.

They musta been lying to us!

25 posted on 01/18/2009 8:00:50 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: jerry557

Yeah, in terms of being from a rat infestation. But, did I read somewhere that this was something that was spread in the air? I think so... so this might be somewhat different.


26 posted on 01/18/2009 8:04:17 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Right Wing Assault

I got this from a CDC website:

“PLAGUE VACCINE

Plague vaccines ** have been used since the late 19th century, but their effectiveness has never been measured precisely. Field experience indicates that vaccination with plague vaccine reduces the incidence and severity of disease resulting from the bite of infected fleas.”


27 posted on 01/18/2009 8:06:08 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: Star Traveler

I agree with you about the nukes. They are far more reliable than hoping for an effective spread of the plague.

Depending on who is involved, some exotic agents might be loosed in urban areas to create terror, especially some of the strains modified for warfare during the cold war.


28 posted on 01/18/2009 8:06:46 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: null and void

Nuke Mecca.


29 posted on 01/18/2009 8:08:07 PM PST by mkjessup
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To: null and void

How reliable is The Sun? It seems to be the only source for this story.


30 posted on 01/18/2009 8:11:29 PM PST by Dick Holmes
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To: Dick Holmes

http://www.inquisitr.com/15686/40-al-qaeda-terrorists-killedby-the-black-death/


31 posted on 01/18/2009 8:12:31 PM PST by Ladycalif (Free - Ramos and Compean)
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To: Star Traveler
But, did I read somewhere that this was something that was spread in the air? I think so... so this might be somewhat different.

Bubonic plague that infects the lungs then becomes pneumonic plague -- which is airborne and infectious. Same bacteria, different delivery.

32 posted on 01/18/2009 8:13:18 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Ancient Drive
“This is the deadliest weapon yet in the war against terror. Most of the terrorists do not have the basic medical supplies needed to treat the disease. “It spreads quickly and kills within hours. This will be really worrying al-Qaeda.”

God's hand or a weapon - or a little of both?

33 posted on 01/18/2009 8:15:48 PM PST by GOPJ ("A consensus of 100 scientists is undone by one fact." - - Einstein (take that Al Gore))
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To: Star Traveler

It will boomerang back at them. Western countries are way healthier, have better nutrition, have lots of medical facilities and antibiotics, and public sanitation, rat poison on every shelf and flea killer too for that matter, we also bath rather frequently and launder our clothes..

Muslim countries have bad health, bad nutrition, tons of other endemic diseases that reduce their immune system and much fewer medical resources, poor personal hygeine, poor public sanitation and fewer rat and flea killing options.

Much harder to get it vectored into a healthy and clean population than it is to vector it in to a filthy camp full of filthy undernourished men.

It’s not like bubonic plaque and it’s vectors don’t exist in America. Yet somehow cases are few and isolated (usually skid row bums and spelunkers (bat fleas are a vector).


34 posted on 01/18/2009 8:18:58 PM PST by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: Star Traveler

“heard that they were experimenting”

That was my thought when I first read this. What if they were experimenting with a bio weapon and it was accidently released?

These are powerful weapons and if they actually did have them, we might expect that some of their own would be infected by mistake.

Any thoughts?


35 posted on 01/18/2009 8:21:28 PM PST by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our exisitence.)
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To: jafojeffsurf
Germany did not use chemical weapons for two reasons in WW2, One they were not precise and two once one side uses it the gloves are off.

Three. Hitler was gassed in WWI and had a horror of chemical weapons.

(OTOH a lot of Jews and other 'undesirables' did get gassed)...

36 posted on 01/18/2009 8:21:48 PM PST by null and void (KENYAN GO HOME!)
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To: jerry557
There are lots of vaccines against bacterial diseases such as tetanus, diphtheria, whooping cough, pneumonia, meningitis, etc.
37 posted on 01/18/2009 8:21:49 PM PST by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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To: mkjessup

A bio attack during The Hajj would be far more effective.


38 posted on 01/18/2009 8:23:00 PM PST by reg45
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To: nina0113
Shame they don't have the technical skills to develop so much as an aspirin

Eh? Didn't we bomb an "aspirin" factory?

39 posted on 01/18/2009 8:23:00 PM PST by null and void (KENYAN GO HOME!)
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To: mkjessup

From your lips...


40 posted on 01/18/2009 8:24:47 PM PST by null and void (KENYAN GO HOME!)
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To: Dick Holmes
How reliable is The Sun? It seems to be the only source for this story.

Maybe that's why they say it's an exclusive?

41 posted on 01/18/2009 8:25:45 PM PST by null and void (KENYAN GO HOME!)
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To: nina0113

In general, that’s true, but I could see problems with an outbreak of pneumonic plague in the illegal alien or the less-well-educated sections of cities. Such an outbreak would be contained fairly rapidly, but I could see a couple thousand people dying from it.


42 posted on 01/18/2009 8:28:37 PM PST by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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To: reg45

The hajj just finished.


43 posted on 01/18/2009 8:29:32 PM PST by null and void (KENYAN GO HOME!)
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To: vetvetdoug
That was my first thought.
44 posted on 01/18/2009 8:30:18 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: jerry557

Diphtheria, tetanus and anthrax are all bacteria and they have vaccines.


45 posted on 01/18/2009 8:32:37 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: garjog

U.N. will fly in medical teams tomorrow.


46 posted on 01/18/2009 8:36:20 PM PST by dogcaller
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To: null and void

No date given on this “incident”?

Could this have happened back when that idiot Joe O Biden leaked his warning about Obama facing a manufactured crisis within 6 months?

Writer almost makes it sound like it was used against the terrorists, rather than them misusing something they were playing with.

We haven’t heard much about al Qaeda in Algeria, or British troops operating there.


47 posted on 01/18/2009 8:39:46 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: jerry557

Once it goes pneumonic, rats and fleas are no longer necessary. It becomes transmitted human to human.

Infected human vectors boarding a number of transatlantic flights would infect thousands of new infected carriers to take it around the globe quickly.


48 posted on 01/18/2009 8:43:40 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: dogcaller

what is the source of that?


49 posted on 01/18/2009 8:44:49 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: jerry557
Some scientists believe the black death was not, or at least was not only, bubonic plague. Some of the symptoms described in the Middle Ages do not fit bubonic plague. It has been discussed several times here in the past.
50 posted on 01/18/2009 8:54:54 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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