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Fears of Scientology ‘plot’ as Tom Cruise film Valkyrie takes cinemas by storm
The Times ^ | 1/24/2008 | Roger Boyes in Berlin

Posted on 01/23/2009 10:10:18 PM PST by bruinbirdman

Tom Cruise has become an overnight hero in Germany thanks to his film about the plot to kill Hitler — a story the German authorities fear could become a propaganda vehicle for Scientology.

The country’s critics, initially sniffy about Valkyrie, a portrayal of Count Claus Schenk von Stauffenberg, the army officer who tried to blow up the Führer, are now giving Cruise a thumbs up — or at least a verdict of “not bad for a foreigner”.

If the film becomes a hit — and early signs are that the public like it — some police and politicians are worried that it will give Scientology, of which Cruise is a leading member, a boost in Germany.

The German equivalent of the Special Branch, the Agency for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV), believes that Scientology is an antidemocratic organisation and is keeping it under close observation.

“These Scientologists have two goals in Germany,” said an official close to the BfV. “To get their message to children, and make their organisation respectable. The film does both: it has put a top Scientologist at the centre of a national debate about German history. That’s dangerous.”

Michael Brand, a Christian Democrat politician, has appealed to his fellow deputies to call for a boycott of Valkyrie in their constituencies. “Stauffenberg would have waged resistance against the likes of Tom Cruise,” said Mr Brand, saying that Scientology pursued totalitarian goals.

The BfV, which has a brief to monitor terrorism and extremist groups, says in its latest report: “Scientology shapes the political opinions of its members in a way that makes them hostile to the principles of the Constitution.”

The organisation recently opened a headquarters in Berlin as its main lobbying centre in Europe. Claudia Schmid, the head of the Berlin division

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hollywood; moviereview; scientology; tomcruise; valkyrie
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1 posted on 01/23/2009 10:10:19 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman
"a propaganda vehicle for Scientology

Photobucket How hard would that be to counter? Just show some recent footage of some of his guest appearances on the TV talk shows. Problem solved.

2 posted on 01/23/2009 10:22:33 PM PST by SiVisPacemParaBellum (Peace through superior firepower!)
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To: SiVisPacemParaBellum

Ah, so that’s where one goes to learn how to jump on couches and declare ones obsessions- the Church of scientology!


3 posted on 01/23/2009 10:34:18 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: bruinbirdman
All hail Xenu!

operation clambake

4 posted on 01/23/2009 10:37:00 PM PST by KarlInOhio (On 9/11 Israel mourned with us while the Palestinians danced in the streets. Who should we support?)
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To: SiVisPacemParaBellum

I live in Germany. The article is fairly unreal. First, barely half of the German public attend one movie a year...at best, and it won’t be something like this. Second...of the remaining folks...if a theater was really lucky...they might have thirty to forty folks sitting in the audience, which would be considered a successful night (by German standards). Third...a fair portion of the younger generation (15-21) wouldn’t spend a nickel on a movie which doesn’t have alot of action, and they wouldn’t dare be seen at some World War II movie.

I’m thinking this article is mostly bogus.


5 posted on 01/23/2009 11:05:27 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: bruinbirdman

Good movie. Good acting.

A story worth getting to the German public, although many probably know about it.


6 posted on 01/23/2009 11:12:00 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: pepsionice

From what I have been told about Germany all young people do is hang out at disco techs.


7 posted on 01/23/2009 11:12:03 PM PST by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: bruinbirdman

Tom Cruise should convert to Islam so the Germans won’t fear him.


8 posted on 01/23/2009 11:17:45 PM PST by Question Liberal Authority (My Success Is Not Determined By Who Wins Elections)
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To: bruinbirdman

i hold no brief for Scientology, since it was founded as a money making cult, and has crazy ideas about psychiatry, but if all they have against this film is that Tom Cruise is in it, this whole thing is pretty ridiculous.


9 posted on 01/23/2009 11:21:06 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before and it will happen again!)
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To: truth_seeker

I have heard good and bad about it. was it authentic to WW2 as far as weapons, uniforms and equipment goes? I do plan on seeing it soon.


10 posted on 01/23/2009 11:21:34 PM PST by bobby.223
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The odd thing is it is a remake. The movie has already been made. The story, true indeed, is as old as WWII.

yitbos

11 posted on 01/23/2009 11:28:16 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: bobby.223

It was excellent, well done and well-acted.


12 posted on 01/23/2009 11:33:15 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: bruinbirdman
We'll wait for the movie to be available through Netflix. We've been enjoying a series called "Hitler's Bodyguard" on the Military channel. We'd known about the bomb detonated at the Wolf's Lair for a while, but this series brought out a lot of information about the whole operation that we didn't know, and about the others involved.

It's been fascinating learning just how many times folks tried to kill Hitler, and either missed their chance, or failed in the attempt.
He was a lucky bastige, I must say!

13 posted on 01/23/2009 11:37:12 PM PST by SuziQ
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The movie has already been made.

True. I've seen the gist of the movie several times on the History Channel (or the 'Hitler Channel', to quote one FReeper). And if Germans don't know their own history by now, this movie won't make much difference.

Stauffenberg was an uncommonly courageous man.

14 posted on 01/23/2009 11:59:04 PM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Give 'em hell, Sarah!)
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To: pepsionice
First, barely half of the German public attend one movie a year...

Well, somebody in Germany is watching movies, as Germany is #2 internationally in box office , behind China.

15 posted on 01/24/2009 12:21:17 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; CheneyChick

Cheney Chic you tore up the threads that were dedicated to support the grieving and loss of Mr. Travoltas disabled son with your rants on the evil cult of Scientology.

Yet. as I have briefly read these type of threads actually dealing with the topic you have not over took or as far as I can read commented at all.

Here is your Big platform for such a venue.

Where are you?


16 posted on 01/24/2009 12:44:40 AM PST by Global2010 (God Will see us through. Persevere)
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To: SuziQ

He was given a long leash called the will of human freedom to choose.

His luck ran out and mankind gasped at his audacity.

Yet we repeat his killing fields and chambers under the Law of Roe vs Wade.

And not to exclude the other world wide genocides since then.

Lord Have Mercy.


17 posted on 01/24/2009 12:53:41 AM PST by Global2010 (God Will see us through. Persevere)
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To: Plutarch

I have a multiplex here in this German town I live in. On a Friday or Saturday night...if they can fill three of these with 100 people...they count it as a hugely successful operation....while the other four “rooms” barely have thirty people each. There are two periods a year where movies make big money...Christmas and Easter...traditionally the only periods when most folks might go to a movie.

Adding to this money draw...unless you attend a mid-afternoon movie, you are paying close to $11 now for a evening ticket (we haven’t even gotten to the pop-corn and Coke yet).

Last year, I went to the simple 1-room cinema in the village I live in...240 seats...styled like you’d expect in the 1960s but with 4-star sound...and there were 18 people there for a Friday night movie. The guy who runs the place...does this as his hobby and evening job. I doubt he makes more than $10k a year on profit after he pays the bills. He won’t play anything that teenagers would want to see, and its mostly artsy stuff or foreign movies. The German mentality on viewing movies is totally different.


18 posted on 01/24/2009 12:54:03 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: bobby.223
...was it authentic to WW2 as far as weapons, uniforms and equipment goes?

As far as I could tell, yes. It featured a couple of flying-condition Ju-52 "Tante Ju" transports, the odd Me-109 or two, and a pair of U.S. P-40's, one of which, in their retelling, accounted for von Stauffenberg's missing eye and fingers. The P-40's had large airscoops like the later models with shark-mouth decoration, which may not have been correct for early 1943.

They looked to be fielding either well-recreated or original Mark III and Mark IV Panzers as well and the occasional medium-sized halftrack. Which would be period-correct, since Mark V's and Mark VI's didn't show up until later, when the Germans had been driven back into the hills of Tunisia; then a few Mark VI Tigers were delivered to von Thoma and the other commanders substituting for Rommel.

The other World War II movie on offer, Defiance, featured replica Mark V Panther tanks and what looked like a long-barreled Mark III J or later (with the longer 50-mm gun); but the muzzle brake on the Mark V was wrong -- it was a 50's-era Soviet compensator like those on T-54's and T-55's. Points off.

19 posted on 01/24/2009 1:06:39 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: bobby.223; truth_seeker
I have heard good and bad about it. was it authentic to WW2 as far as weapons, uniforms and equipment goes? I do plan on seeing it soon.

You definitely should. If you see it for what it is, i.e. a historical thriller about the political and military machinations of the coup, you'll definitely enjoy it. The visuals of 1940s Germany are top notch (Singer makes good use of still existing - Reich Air ministry, Bendlerblock - buildings and the recreations - like that of the Berghof - are good, too.) and the mood is as close to authentic as any American director probably could get (it's no "The Downfall", of course). The quirks are there, but minor (like trying to emulate Hitler's Austrian villager's accent in English). What it is not is an allegory of the holocaust or THE definite story of WWII.

A story worth getting to the German public, although many probably know about it.

There have been many minor or made-for-TV movies about the plot, which is also otherwise well known to most Germans from school. In this "History Channel" context it's just one of many stories (there are others like Riefenstahl or Speer: Speer und Er), the difference is that this is a big budget film about the one event.
20 posted on 01/24/2009 4:45:02 AM PST by wolf78
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