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US Surrenders Educational Institutions To Islamic Radicals
The Bulletin ^ | January 30, 2009 | Herb Denenberg

Posted on 01/30/2009 10:03:07 AM PST by jazusamo

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To: wintertime
The only the thing the parent should demonstrate is a good faith effort to educate the child.

That's still expecting more from the parents than the state gives.

101 posted on 01/30/2009 8:39:52 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
So can we presume that anything you say is a lie as well?

You can presume anything you want. If you want to doubt anything I have to say, you can do that.

If you're going to accuse me of lying, at least have the fortitude to say so outright, and have the evidence to back it up.

102 posted on 01/30/2009 8:41:44 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom
Which is exactly the amount of credibility you have, tl.
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Okay...So, ignore the anecdote.

However...The premise is still the same. Parents should be held to the same standards as the government.

If illiterate and innumerate is considered OK for promotion to the next grade, or even graduation from high school, then that is the standard that parents must meet.

Equal protection under the law...and all that, you see.

103 posted on 01/30/2009 8:41:53 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: tacticalogic; wintertime

End welfare as well.

Hunger is a great motivator to working.

Those welfare deadbeats can get off their lazy butts and go out and actually work for a living.


104 posted on 01/30/2009 8:43:07 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wintertime
What if government school charged tuition based on income? School taxes on **everyone** could then be greatly reduced. It would be greatly appreciated by the poor.

Econ 101 - you can't charge some people more because they make more and then claim they're now paying less.

105 posted on 01/30/2009 8:43:43 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom

OK. Let’s start with that.


106 posted on 01/30/2009 8:44:57 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: wintertime

And you figure the average poor person pays that much a year in sales taxes that go to the school system?


107 posted on 01/30/2009 8:47:28 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
I don't know how it works where you are, but here property owners pay the lion's share of the school taxes.
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Property taxes are paid by **everyone**!!!!

This really is Econ 101.

The poor pay property taxes in the form of higher rents. The landlord passes these taxes on to his tenants in the form of higher rents.

Businesses pass on their property taxes in the form of higher prices on **everything** **everyone** uses or consumes!

In fact the poor pay a **higher** burden ( proportionally) on their income because they have little to no discretionary savings. Nearly all of their income is spent on rents and consumer items. Both of which include school taxes.

Geeze! At least the wealthier people can avoid some school taxes by merely saving more of their income rather than spending it.

108 posted on 01/30/2009 8:47:36 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
The poor pay property taxes in the form of higher rents. The landlord passes these taxes on to his tenants in the form of higher rents.

Get rid of welfare and public housing and you may have a case to make.

109 posted on 01/30/2009 8:48:40 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Kimmers
reason 7,654,321 to home school

What reason is that .... that you're easily frightened by blog pimps?

110 posted on 01/30/2009 8:50:00 PM PST by r9etb
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To: tacticalogic

I don’t know how it works where you are, but here property owners pay the lion’s share of the school taxes.
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I suppose there is one group of people who can avoid school taxes. That would be those living on a park bench, wearing hand me down clothes, and eating out of restaurant dumpsters.

Yep! They are avoiding school taxes.

Everyone else pays school taxes. The poorer a person is, the bigger the burden.


111 posted on 01/30/2009 8:50:16 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: tacticalogic

Get rid of welfare and public housing and you may have a case to make.
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Well, we excuse these people from income taxes but we don’t give them a pass on school taxes.


112 posted on 01/30/2009 8:51:40 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: tacticalogic

Get rid of welfare and public housing and you may have a case to make.
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And...You are conveniently ignoring the working poor.


113 posted on 01/30/2009 8:52:26 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: tacticalogic; wintertime

They are running feral in the streets, when they aren’t running feral in the school buildings.

If you think that there’s actually real education going on is so many of those schools in communities where running feral is common, you are sadly mistaken.

I’ll tell you what. Why don’t you provide some evidence that locking kids who don’t want to learn in school all day is going to do some good?


114 posted on 01/30/2009 8:54:44 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic
Econ 101 - you can't charge some people more because they make more and then claim they're now paying less.
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If people were handed a tuition bill at the government school door, taxes on everyone would be reduced.

But....Yes, those who can afford to buy expensive cars and live in mini-mansions with granite counter tops would need to downsize. The poor and the those without children would not be subsidizing their extravagant living.

115 posted on 01/30/2009 8:56:11 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime

What about them? If they can’t afford $4000/year per child, who is going to make up the difference and how do you intend to enforce that?


116 posted on 01/30/2009 8:56:16 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; wintertime

You’re the one making the snide insinuations about anonymous internet posters. It works both ways.

Why should we trust you when you clearly don’t trust anyone else?


117 posted on 01/30/2009 8:57:07 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wintertime
If people were handed a tuition bill at the government school door, taxes on everyone would be reduced.

I think I see. The rich will pay more, but we'll say they're getting a tax cut by calling it tuition.

118 posted on 01/30/2009 8:57:56 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom
i>You’re the one making the snide insinuations about anonymous internet posters. It works both ways.

No, I'm expressing my opinion about anonymous internet posts as a basis for making decisions about public policy. Do you understand the difference between taking apart an argument and attacking someone personally?

119 posted on 01/30/2009 9:01:37 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

And you figure the average poor person pays that much a year in sales taxes that go to the school system?
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Over a lifetime of school taxes? Yes, they do.

That is why I say that if an adult were to privately educate 1.5 to 2 children they should be forever exempt from all school taxes and refunded any school taxes they have paid in the past.

Hey! ...The average woman in this nation on has 2.1 kids or 1.05 children per adult male and female. If each adult were to educate 1.5 to 2 kids that would more than cover the cost of educating the poor and catastrophically handicapped children.


120 posted on 01/30/2009 9:02:49 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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