Posted on 01/30/2009 10:03:07 AM PST by jazusamo
>>I became an educator because I love educating.
Good, and I bet you’re not alone. Unfortunately, the collective will to liberate the school system doesn’t exist within the ranks of the educators.
1) The Milton Freidman type of conservative would say that, yes, parents can be obligated by law ( this means police threat) to educate their children.
These conservatives reason that there is enough of a societal benefit to the community and to the child to have force of law ( this means police threat) to demand that parents educate their children.
The state can and does demand that parents feed, house, and clothe their children, and these conservatives believe that the state can demand the parents educate their children.
But....What will be the standard?
If government, itself **graduates** functional illiterates ( and even complete illiterates) what standard should be forced upon parents? If government promotes from grade to grade children who are lacking even the most basic literacy and numeracy, what can the state demand of parents?
Ok...So...If the state makes demands of parents then the **same** standards should apply to parents that the state now applies to itself. If illiterate and innumerate is considered good enough for a child to be promoted and even graduated in a state school then parents should be held to the **same** standard. If illiterate and innumerate is good enough for the state than that is good enough for the parent.
The only the thing the parent should demonstrate is a good faith effort to educate the child. If the state can't guarantee an educated child, then state officials and police should not demand more from a parent.
2) Another conservative position is merely to get the government out of the business of either providing or supervising education.
If the government can't guarantee an educated children, then the same standard should apply to parents. It seems evident to me that the government has no standards for educating, promoting, or graduating students, so the same “no standard” form of standards should apply to parents.
If there are, in essence, no standards for government schooling, why bother with government involvement at all?
These “teachers” are nothing more than enablers and facilitators of evil.
The tenured 60’s radicals that infest our universities hate this country so much, they gladly throw in with the Islamic scum and their domestic useful idiot allies. They don’t so much support Ayers as they admire him and look to him for leadership. My great hope and prayer is that these strutting, efete narcissists are someday brought to task for the long term damage they have done. Words cannot express how much I despise this treasonous, coddled vermin, nor how exquisite it would be to feel my fist plow deeply into their smug faces.
We made the mistake of letting them in, and they just might do as you say. If so, they must be handled as criminals by our nation's authorities.
Government schooling has **utterly** failed in Europe. Why on earth would we think it would help here?
A better solution is for American children, who are for the most part **Christian**, to attend private Christian schools that thoroughly teach these children their faith and their uniquely **superior** American heritage. For those children who are not Christian to attend religious or secular schools of their choice. For the most part parents would overwhelmingly choose schools that would assist the parents in rearing children who are well grounded in our American heritage.
These children, when grown to be adults, are our best defense against Islam.
There are far, far, far more Christians ( and fewer secularists), who are philosophically grounded in American principles, in this country than there are Muslims. Children who grow to be adults who well grounded in their Christian faith and/or their **American** heritage are our best defense against any Muslim threat that may or may not exist in our country now.
Our Marxist dominated multiculturalist government school indoctrination camps are a very, very poor defense against Islam. Just ask any European. Ask them how well government schooling is working to make Muslims good little Westerners?
And....We must pressure our legislators to adopt immigration policies that will not allow our Muslim population to grow beyond its now less than 1% of the population.
Expecting government schools and puny government teachers to correct a terrorism, crime, and social dysfunction, on the scale of Islam is like throwing a grape at Jupiter. What's needed here are police, the FBI, the CIA, undercover operations, and an end to Muslim immigration!
Explain to me how people who aren’t contributing anything in taxes now are going to pay the tuition for their kids from the taxes they’re saving.
You’re exactly right about the tenured 60’s radicals, I’ll never forget them and their ridiculous rants of that era. Sadly though I don’t believe they’ll ever be brought to task, the radical leftists are too ingrained in our higher institutions. However it is approaching the time many of them may be checking out permanently and Ayers would be a good candidate to lead that.
**Everyone** pays school taxes.
School taxes are hidden in rents. Landlords increase their rents to pay for all property taxes.
School taxes are paid by businesses who then increase the cost of their product to pay for their school tax burden on their property and equipment.
Therefore....The poor pay plenty in the form of increased rents and in the increased prices of everything they use and buy.
If a state, county, or city has sales taxes ( a portion of which may fund the schools) then **everyone** ( including the poor) pays these as well.
Our police, military, and our citizens are **amazingly** committed to, and respectful of, the rule of law.
The proof of the above statement is that Bill Ayers and his wife are alive and well and still breathing today...and thriving.
That's a load of spin and you know it. How many of them are "paying school taxes" out of their welfare checks?
That’s a load of spin and you know it.
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This is basic Econ 101 here.
**Everyone** pays school taxes. They are found in rents, and they are passed on by businesses in the form of higher prices on everything we use and consume.
If there are sales taxes going to reduce school bond issues on buildings and other school expenses, then the poor pay school taxes here as well.
While a welfare recipient is exempt from income taxes on his welfare check, he is never exempt from school taxes.
And...While you point out the welfare recipient, you neglect to take notice of the working poor.
How much do you figure tuition is going to be?
Every person who has purchased, or is paying payments, on a brand new expensive car or on a house greater than 2,000 sq.ft, can afford to downsize and pay at least something toward their own child's education.
Doing so would greatly relieve the burden of school taxes on the poor.
What the poor ( and all those who do not have children) are doing is **subsidizing** that person's mini-mansion, expensive vacations, granite counter tops, and/or expensive car!
So....As you drive down the freeway, please take note of the expensive cars on the road. Please glance up at the school buses trekking up the hill to the mini-mansions. Everyone of these people who have kids in the government schools are making it harder on everyone else.
Hand them a government school tuition bill and reduce the taxes and burden on **everyone**.
Was that supposed to be to me?
Then we wouldn't be any further behind than we are now.
I don't know how it works where you are, but here property owners pay the lion's share of the school taxes.
If you're trying to convince me it won't be any worse if we just let them run feral in the street, it isn't working.
Which is exactly the amount of credibility you have, tl.
So can we presume that anything you say is a lie as well?
In my state the **average** private school tuition is under $4,000. This includes even the ***most*** exclusive private schools in the state.
So... A **excellent** private school in my state is well under $4,000 a year. Many of these private schools accept, and do and excellent job with, children with the usual disabilities and non-English speaking children that are commonly found in any neighborhood government school.
Obviously there are children with catastrophic disabilities, and these children are very expensive to educate. In my opinion, catastrophic education expenses should be part of all children's health insurance, since much of the expense occurred in educating these children is really medical in nature. For instance, are expensive hearing aids, sign language interpreter), or nursing aides for the severely retarded, really an educational expense? I would say it is a medical expense. (However... Health insurance is really a different topic.)
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