Posted on 02/01/2009 4:18:18 PM PST by Dada Orwell
Wait, I think we’re on to something here! If New Yawk leaves, maybe the rest can all stay.
A secession could happen without a shooting war, however. And I really believe if, and especially Texas were to secede, they would NOT be attacked. There would, be problems over the federal military bases in the state, but not that couldn’t be resolved. And if a civil war does become unavoidable,we should defend the constitution that was handed down to us , so we may hand it to our children.
And which city block is that, pray tell?
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Many of which are in Texas.
Just sayin...
States don’t have the right to secede....Abraham Lincoln established that principle back in 1865. Remember that the total is greater than the sum of its parts!
“I believe it was Montana just awhile back the used this defense, should the U.S. violate the Constitution under which the State joined the union the state would break it contract with the U.S....”
What are they going to do, go back to being a Territory? That “contract” with the rest of the United States is what brought the State of Montana into existence.
It’s called Sussex County. Almost all politicians in all the towns in the county are GOP (generally the good kind, not RINOs). We returned a CONSERVATIVE Republican congressman (Scott Garrett) to office last November by a 2-to-1 margin. Not even a lot of red-state politicians had landslides like that in the last election.
Well, once they were free I guess they could do anything they wanted. Vote into existence the new Nation of Montana. Course the (US) federal government wouldn’t defend them militarily, either. The Canuckians might decide they needed a southern province. I don’t know, though. Our northern brethren have been so pussified by their liberal anti-gun government that Montana might end up with a Alberta and Saskatchewan instead!
What does The Declaration of Independence have to say on the subject?
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That might be part of it, but the main part is that we have good weather, and lots of open land. Thus we have, or had, lots of military bases, particularly Air Force bases, and Naval Air Stations. We have the largest, in terms of population, Army base as well. Add to that a fair amount of defense industry, (At one time Dallas/Ft. Worth alone had GD/Lockheed, LTV, E-Systems, Texas Instruments (defense group), Collins Radio and others. Most of those, while shrunken, are still around under one name or another.
Maybe we have a state to take in millions of angry patriots...
Montana is another one.
That's not really true. The preamble to the Constitution starts out:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
No mention of the states there. Yes the states had to ratify, but they did so in special conventions, not by actions of their legislatures. Thus, and by it's terms, the Constitution is binding on both the federal and state governments.
But to support your point, their is nothing in the Constitution that says states cannot seceded, and there is this:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Much better armed, with better transportation and instant communication.
“..>Much better armed, with better transportation and instant communication...”
I’d be happy if the USA seceded from the left coast and New England.
“Well, once they were free I guess they could do anything they wanted.”
Why should the rest of the States allow them to do that?
In 1803 the 17 United States, through their agent the Federal Governement, bought from France what the US named the Louisianna Territory.
About 1848 the 30 United States, through their agent the Federal Government, obtained the Oregon Territory by a Treaty with England.
The United States allowed people to move to the land they had obtained and owned with a view toward forming new states.
In 1889, Montana, consisting of parts of the Louisianna Territory and Oregon Territory, was admitted to the Union as one of the States. (The land was part of some other Territories but I’m skipping that part.)
If the people of Montana want to leave the United States, can you provide a reason why the other States of the United States should allow them to take the land with them?
I’m not particularly interested in an answer involving the Federal Government. The Federal Government is only an agent of the States. The States could get together and change the Government of the United States if they had the will and cohesion to do so. That happened once.
Nice find(s).
However, in the end, when push comes to shove, nothing that is written will be of any consequence.
There are an estimated 200,000,000 guns still in the hands of the serfs. IMHO, when something moves 10-20% of these serfs to opt out, they will opt out.
Best bet....around the second time Apophis arrives. Maybe even the first...
OTOH, after obambi's meeting with chavez in April, Michelle may make him declare himself President-For-Life. That could lead to some interesting times.
If NH takes the lead God bless them but this is not a regional conflict. It doesn’t matter where you live or whose side great-great-granddad was on. We’re all rebels now.
Some people would like to brand anyone who would oppose today's government an anarchist, ignoring the fact that opposition to totalitarian anarchists is necessary for the continued existence of lawful government.
If o tries to take away my GOD given right to be an armed free citizen, I would support the succession of Louisiana from the union.
I live in Louisiana, If Texas seceded from the union and Louisiana did not, I would gladly move to the Great State of Texas. I would be glad to join the fight.
I would rather be a felon and free, than unarmed and a slave.
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