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To: allmendream

[[The specific claims of Behe and “irreducible complexity”, so far the totality of the intellectual output from the Discovery Institute (completely discredited I might add,]]

NOPE 0-sorry- Strike one- that’s a bunch of bull- Behe’s IC has NOT been ‘thoroughly discreditted- Not with any REAL SCIENCE-

Try again-


64 posted on 02/09/2009 5:20:39 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop
Why don't you tell me how a flagellum isn't reducible to a type II secretory system?

Maybe you don't consider this “Real Science” after all, it doesn't include Noah herding dinosaurs.

: FEMS Microbiol Rev. 2000 Jan;24(1):21-44. Links
Secretion and assembly of regular surface structures in Gram-negative bacteria.Fernández LA, Berenguer J.
Departamento de Biotecnología Microbiana, Centro Nacional de Biotecnología, C.S.I.C. Campus Cantoblanco, 28049, Madrid, Spain.

Bacteria synthesize large-sized surface structures through the ordered polymerization of protein subunits. This results in planar or tubular regular structures that have evolved to accomplish specific functions related to the particular environment in which these bacteria are found. Tubular assemblies known as flagella are the most complex structures known in bacteria and consist of a helical rigid filament, a torsion adapter or hook and a proton-fueled rotator known as the basal body. Pili or fimbriae are less complicated helical filaments, which consist of a major subunit and 3-5 minor subunits or pilins, whose main function is the attachment to specific surfaces. Planar structures known as S-layers are the simplest of these regular assemblies and are generally made up of a single subunit packed as a bidimensional crystal around the whole cell surface. Most of the components of these structures have to be secreted through the inner membrane (IM), the periplasm and the outer membrane (OM) before reaching their final destination. The so called general secretory pathway (GSP), or type II secretion system, appears to be implicated in this process to varying degrees, depending on the structure considered. A few S-layers and pili require GSP components but also need specific terminal branches, such as the well known chaperone-usher pathway. On the other hand, only two of the nearly 40 proteins involved in flagellar assembly are dependent on the GSP, while the external components are secreted through a specific pathway similar to the type III systems identified in some pathogens. Moreover, secretion of subunits of S-layers using dedicated type I machinery, without the involvement of any GSP component, has also been observed.

PMID: 10640597 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

65 posted on 02/09/2009 5:53:49 PM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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