Skip to comments.The Cloward-Piven Strategy to implement socialist revolution
Posted on 02/12/2009 5:49:38 AM PST by ebiskit
Liberty can be such an ugly pursuit.
Note that either Cloward or Piven (or both?) were guests at Bill Clinton’s inauguration
Excellent post. It’s a “save” AND a “print”.
ping for later
Excellent post. It’s a “save” AND a “print”.
Well that Clove Pliven strategy can work both ways....we can start making the socialists live up to their so called promises and make them live up to their so called utopian principles.
I think you saw that from the Fort Myers visit....folks there calling upon Obama to “save” them from their economic
circumstances. Let’s start overloading the socialists with demands to fix every possible social ill and sarcastically denouncing them when they fail.
That’s why Rush is so hated by the socialists. He goes Clovian on them, using the same tactics the socialists apply to conservatives.
“We are being engaged in an unfair fight for the very soul of the Republic.” Amen.
Like the man says, “If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics $uck.”
These worms do not need to win; they only need for us to not win and they know it. They are the same punks who put sugar in your gas tank. No need to stop the car itself or even the whole engine, just stop enough of it to stop the rest of it.
It most certainly is “an unfair fight for the very soul of the Republic,” and we either start fighting to win or we fight to lose.
And probably at Bush and O'bamas too.. since Bush paved the ground work for O'bamas Coup D'etat..
We need the right’s version of acorn!
I'm not afraid of them. I'm more heavily armed than any poor person I ever met. I grew up around poor people - most everyone I knew was poor when I was a child. I've said it before on this forum and I'll say it again. Poor people are poor because they make stupid decisions over and over and over again. No one who repeatedly makes stupid decisions frightens me, unless they're at the wheel of a car that I'm riding in.
“Make the enemy live up to their (sic) own book of rules,” Alinsky wrote in his 1972 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judaeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system’s failure to “live up” to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist “rule book” with a socialist one. “
Did you ever read the Arthurian legends...particularly the rise of Mordred who used such tactics against his father King Arthur? This fomented civil war and the destruction of Camelot as well as the Death of Arthur as well as Mordred.
I think I’ll start referring to the Dem’s as the Mordred party...or the “Mordreds”. Rebellion, hate, and death lay in the Heart of Mordred in his contempt towards his father just as the modern Mordreds hate the US and all of her Judeo-Christian adherents.
Horowitz does a good job of keeping the history of the current usurpation of the Constitution understood.
oops meant Cloward...!
We need a coherent strategy that defeats Saul Alinsky
I can’t stand Jeremy Piven.
The fight has to start with shining a light on the enemies of liberty. For too long they have been able to operate in the shadows, and hide their intentions by wrapping them in more acceptable terms. An important aspect of shining that light is to educate the public about the tactics used by those who want to push socialism on us and collapse our current system. The tactics proposed by Alinsky, for example, should be so well known that they cannot be carried out without recognition.
Further, we can no longer let false characterizations and generalizations stand. For example, the characterization of ‘the poor’ as a monolithic group of people who have been unfairly treated and hurt by society is just not accurate. Yes, there are certainly people who have been unfairly treated and suffered because of societal wrongs. But not everyone is Bob Cratchit or Tiny Tim, and people wind up in different places in the world for a variety of reasons, including personal choices. It is very, very important that we do not let the argument be framed as ‘rich vs. poor’. We should hold up those in our society who have worked hard and achieved on that basis as role models, not victimizers.
Also, taking a page from the leftist playbook, we need to be louder and more persistent in our ‘righteous indignation’. When people like Cloward and Piven use tax-exempt universities as their soap-box to push for the dissolution of our society we cannot let them go unchallenged. What exactly is sedition? Seems to me that calling for a collapse of the economic system of your home country is sedition.
Fascinating reading. Thanks for posting.
I believe that if zerO released his college records, you would see that professors Cloward and Piven taught a certain foreign student...
Well, the Cloward-Piven strategy seeks to destroy the welfare system, so the underclass will become desperate and revolutionary. Obama’s porkulus seeks to expand the welfare system. So at least on that fundamental point, the Cloward-Piven & the stimulus do not jive.
I am very impressed with the progress in awareness and understanding that has appeared in posts on FR in the past few months. Postings have gone from the “Gee, the leftists sure are stupid to think X,” to an illumination and examination of the theories, tactics, literature and history of the left. The next step is to identify a plan for Americans (i.e., “conservatives”) to reverse the left’s overthrow of our honorable government.
Here are a couple of additional questions for discussion. How do Americans improve the education of the majority of young people so they learn the truth about the nature and opportunities of American freedom and responsibility? How do Americans develop an effective information source that reaches the majority of people with truthful non-socialist information?
By the way, a lesson can be learned from the socialist radicals about advancing a societal goal. The battlefield is economic—wins and losses will be determined from balance sheets. Imagine if the socialists were faced with the possibility their debt holders would demand payment or take control from them. That would reign them in quickly. Allies can be found in those who have their grip on the left’s funding. The battlefield is economic.
I like that analogy. It puts our situation into a more noble perspective. “Merlin” is one of my all time favorite movies (the one with Sam Neill and Isabella Rossellini). The actor who plays Mordred does a FANTASTIC job.
“...The fight has to start with shining a light on the enemies of liberty. For too long they have been able to operate in the shadows, and hide their intentions by wrapping them in more acceptable terms. An important aspect of shining that light is to educate the public about the tactics used by those who want to push socialism on us and collapse our current system. The tactics proposed by Alinsky, for example, should be so well known that they cannot be carried out without recognition...”
True and nice post. The question is how do we do it? What I see is that the “soapbox” rarely works for “our side”, probably because Lefty has successful at lying, cheating, degrading natural truths and morals,and brainwashing the majority of people on a number of issues and in number of ways. In addition, Lefty is very good at labeling such talk as “kooky” and “conspiracy” and attacking Truth with more of their lies.
Our mindset is different than theirs - we use Truth, while they lie without remorse. They also created the widespread moral relativism which allows them to further their agenda without remorse and without recourse.
While I agree that reeducation is required, I just don’t know how to do that other than consistent grass roots efforts on our part - subtle comments, emails, and discussions with family and friends, while at the same standing up to Leftys using truth and tact - just be prepared because many of them border on lunacy.
Of course, we also need the right political candidates at the right time - McCain could have blown the doors off of Obama and didn’t even try.
“So at least on that fundamental point, the Cloward-Piven & the stimulus do not jive.”
If they overload the system then they have to expand it, thus more financial crisis.
They're calling down the thunder.
You overload the sate bureaucracy until it breaks and then you replace it with.... A STATE Bureaucracy??? This doesn't make sense!
You can see the influence of cold war Soviet infiltration. This was designed to destroy the economic and political might of the USA so that the Soviet Union could continue its globalist empire building. They used these "intellectuals" to advocate the destruction of US infrastructure and these "intellectuals" used the least integrated and least intelligent people in our society as pawns.
It was NEVER about helping the poor. Living conditions for most American blacks has stayed about the same since the 1960s. A few affirmative action elite have risen from the ghetto (one even made it to the White House). But, the vast majority of them are still poor, uneducated, disenfranchised and seriously exploited.
These leftist terrorists should be rooted out and hung.
About a two years ago I had to go to the SS office in Dallas to replace a lost SS card. I went on three separate occasions and each time the waiting room was full and there was a long line outside waiting their turn. These were not old people but instead were young minorities, each accompanied by someone with a briefcase or hand full of folders, seeking some disability claim I suppose.
I gave up on the Dallas office and went to several smaller towns because I had been told that I could get right in and out at those places. Same story at every one of the.
They are obviously trying to crash the SS system even sooner than it will fall on its own.
It’s 100% correct, this is the strategy they have used against us since 1977 and the CRA, they have been setting up the Poor People they “Claim” to be helping to have their lives destroyed, and made even poorer. People that has used this do not deserve the title of Human, and they are in dire need of a permanent dirt nap.
It is very basic.
As the song goes “Teach you children well,Salute whatever flag they offer. I am with the high command”. etc. etc.
It is our responsibility to teach our children what is right. You have to teacher proof them. I am proud to say that I have four children who were teacher proof. They understand the BS put out by the MSM.
“So at least on that fundamental point, the Cloward-Piven & the stimulus do not jive.”
The over-arching purpose is to grow the entitlement class so vast that capitalism buckles from the stress.
A new system of wealth redistribution will be demanded due to rampant dissatisfaction and the apparent failure of the present socio-economic structure.
There is never any real intent to ‘satisfy’ the underclass.
Porkulus is expressly designed to grow the disaffected prole’s numbers.
Porkulus is meant to vastly outstrip capitalism’s ability to satisfy the proletariat demand.
Porkulus will become the ‘base-line’ for future budgets.
When has there ever been any ‘real’ cuts in government expenditures?
C-P & Porkulus do jive with dire national consequences being the desired end result.
Each subsequent event of this ‘crisis’ is designed to cruelly feed upon the preceding events, thereby creating a critical mass where the state has the only means, albeit illusory, to resolve such apocalyptic occurrences.
Listen closely to the words of O and take him quite literally.
Lately, O and his minions have been vociferously expressing such a ‘deification of state.’
The ends are to create a tipping-point in the national atmosphere where the grossly uninformed will gladly surrender Constitutional principle for a simple bowl of gruel from a perceived national savior.
IOW, Embrace the ‘Socialist’ Suck.
Then... the Soviet Union collapses and CAPITALISM flourishes in Russia and Europe and China and South America (to some extent). The Old Soviet apparatus was abandoned in the USA as the world began chasing capitalist wealth. Instead of dying off, the American Left has taken up the spiritual crusade and is now the strongest leftist movement in the world. The result if this national nightmare is that real Americans have forgotten and abandoned their history and Constitutional rights, drinking the Koolaide of the Left after 30-60 years of NEA social indoctrination.
Marx, Lenin and Stalin and Khrustiev are dead but the international philosophy is strong and now being led from the White House through Obama's puppet masters like Ayers and others.
The Suffragettes used all the same tactics in the early 20th century.
Don't let them define the terms of the debate!
It was that model of Mordred(from Merlin) that I’ve envisioned as personifying what a twisted mass of evil the Democratic party has become. I even believe that if they found them-selves losing popular support, they would rather the country go down in flames with them!
(and as for you NSA snoopers who might be sniffing these postings; how do you like working for the Mordreds?)
There’s also an excellent article link on that page.
Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis
I’ve been writing CLOWARD-PIVEN on people’s notepads and cubicle boards all week.
“the Soviet Union collapses and . . . The Old Soviet apparatus was abandoned”
I don’t think the USSR/Russian core capitulated communist principle to the extent we here in the west believe.
It only ‘went dark.’
PM Putin as ‘former’ KGB and present Russian authoritarian activities buttress this theory.
They knew ‘hot-war’ would be disastrous on both fronts and had to develop a ‘new plan’ for conquest.
Rope-a-Dope works well, ask Ali.
We may have witnessed the biggest game of ‘possum’ ever.
Remember, the devil’s best trick has been to convince many that he does not exist.
I also have to point out that the same thing was done with Sub Prime Mortgages, they SET UP POOR PEOPLE TO FAIL, thereby destroying both the housing and Banking industries.
I would LOVE to have those two burned at the stake of the Media, but of course, the Media is in on it too.
Marx and Engels were writing in the 1870s and Ralph Waldo Emerson before that. Utopian thinking has been around for a while.
“The next step is to identify a plan for Americans (i.e., conservatives) to reverse the lefts overthrow of our honorable government.”
Make Brand American ‘cool’ by co-opting the tactics used so effectively by the counter-culture. This ‘can’ be done with effective copy, design, photography and film; even guerrilla marketing. Primarily utilize painful, biting satire in addition to other esoteric, conceptual devices; all cleverly infused with subliminal or overt Constitutional principle. Make the message understandable on all levels. The most effective concepts always contain duality of message or double entendre.
“How do Americans improve the education . . . ?”
Disband teacher’s unions and fight dirty for vouchers. Kill tenure for college professors.
“The battlefield is economic”
Especially on college campi where our economic weapons must be physically felt by the leftist professors which incubated this insidious threat. Obama is a direct product of this elitist core of fellow travelers. Debilitate this cabal, and we will be a long to rehabbing the Republic. Where does Ayers work and in which department?!?
Bump and Wow
Someone tried to crash the US banking system last September just prior to the election:
George Soros’ thoughts on Capitalism (1997):
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