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Cole attack wasn’t terrorist ( Barf )
Aspen Daily News ^ | February 12, 2009 | Richard B. Veit

Posted on 02/12/2009 5:08:03 PM PST by george76

The TV and the written press keep referring to the attack on the USS Cole as having been a “terrorist” attack.

Any definition of the word “terrorist” insists that the attack described be against a civilian target with an aim of resulting in a political change.

I do believe that this word is being used so as to elicit sympathy and, to some, fear and therefore urge the public be skeptical when they come across it in the press. Recently, I came across the use of “victims,” referring to crew members on the Cole that were killed, instead of “casualties” or as the “dead.”

After some thought on the above, I may be wrongly criticizing the written press, as these examples may have indeed come from TV.

Richard B. Veit

Carbondale


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: cole; dumberthandirt; idiotalert; nonsense; stuckonstupid; terrorist; terrorists; usscole
A Ward Churchill want-to-be.

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1 posted on 02/12/2009 5:08:03 PM PST by george76
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To: george76

Excuse me? what exactly was it then? Attack of the F-ing Easter bunny?

Some people are STUPID in the extreme.


2 posted on 02/12/2009 5:09:09 PM PST by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: george76

So according to the writer, if it’s not a terrorist attack, its.....nothing?


3 posted on 02/12/2009 5:09:15 PM PST by FromShadow
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To: george76

Richard B. Veit is a coward.


4 posted on 02/12/2009 5:10:13 PM PST by frogjerk (It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish - Mother Teresa)
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To: george76

Must have been a coal dust explosion and those guys who stood in their little boat saluting just before the Cole blew were tourists ....


5 posted on 02/12/2009 5:10:48 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: george76

Dear Mr. Veit:
I appreciate your brilliantly reasoned argument. F*ck you very much.
(signed) A Rational Human Being


6 posted on 02/12/2009 5:10:59 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: Danae

We call them liberals.


7 posted on 02/12/2009 5:11:00 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: george76

Richard Veit has a so-called brain.


8 posted on 02/12/2009 5:11:08 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: george76
The attack on the Marine Barracks in Lebanon was a garden party.

:-(>


9 posted on 02/12/2009 5:12:11 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: george76

He should try telling the parents of those 17 dead sailors that they weren’t terrorists!!

What an idiot!!


10 posted on 02/12/2009 5:12:25 PM PST by sneakers
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To: george76
According to Helen Thomas they're "so called terrorists."
11 posted on 02/12/2009 5:12:31 PM PST by SCPatriot77
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To: Danae
"Excuse me? what exactly was it then? Attack of the F-ing Easter bunny?"

It was just another Jihadist attack by the ROPTM.

12 posted on 02/12/2009 5:15:09 PM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: george76

Well richard..or may I call you Dick...may you learn first hand what a terrorist attack is...you know...for research purposes of course


13 posted on 02/12/2009 5:15:58 PM PST by wheresmycheckbarry?
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To: george76

So a group attacked a US Military asset.
Let’s call the attack an act of war.
Keep the perp’s in Gitmo until the War is over!


14 posted on 02/12/2009 5:16:27 PM PST by Steven Tyler
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

LOL - do you think this guy really takes himself seriously?


15 posted on 02/12/2009 5:18:38 PM PST by nobama08
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To: Paladin2

lol


16 posted on 02/12/2009 5:19:24 PM PST by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Steven Tyler

It was an act of war. But Clinton couldn’t be bothered.


17 posted on 02/12/2009 5:19:49 PM PST by nobama08
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To: george76

I have to admit that attacking a military target is a little more courageous than attacking a soft civilian target, but... the Cole was there simply to refuel and wasn’t involved with any wartime activities that I know of. So, from that standpoint I would still call it a terrorist act.


18 posted on 02/12/2009 5:20:43 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: george76

“I do believe that this word is being used so as to elicit sympathy”
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I guess the only VICTIMS WE SHOULD MOURN ARE THE TERRORISTS, THEMSELVES!!!!!

You effin’ PUKE!

I’m sorry. I’m mad as hell and sick to death of these people and what is happening to this great country of mine. Dammit!


19 posted on 02/12/2009 5:22:10 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama dozed.....people froze.)
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To: george76
Glenwood Springs Post Independent

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United States

Website: www.postindependent.com

Phone: (970) 945-8515

Fax: (970) 945-4487

20 posted on 02/12/2009 5:23:43 PM PST by manic4organic (We Are S0 Screwed)
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To: george76

I’m sure these fine young men were in uniform and working for a country that signed the Geneva Convention. Or, were they murderous thugs who declared war on America and were mindless followers of a false and fanatical cult-religion who never heard of Geneva no have knowledge of convention.


21 posted on 02/12/2009 5:24:06 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: george76

The Cole attack was closer to guerrilla warfare than terrorism. The word “terror” and “terrorism” sell advertising hence their overuse.


22 posted on 02/12/2009 5:24:22 PM PST by DaGman
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To: FromShadow
So according to the writer, if it’s not a terrorist attack, its.....nothing?

Following the logic of the writer -- such as it is -- one is forced to conclude that, if it's not a "terrorist attack", it must then be an "act of war".

In which case, the United States is fully justified in visiting hell on the perpetrators -- be they in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen or wherever.

Somehow, I don't think he thought it through that far...

23 posted on 02/12/2009 5:24:27 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: george76

OMG.

What planet do these people live on?


24 posted on 02/12/2009 5:26:50 PM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: george76
I heard that the families of our killed servicemen want the government to open a “9-11” type committee investigation of the attack. Congress will balk until they can figure out how to blame GWB for it, despite the fact that he was governing Texas at the time.
25 posted on 02/12/2009 5:27:41 PM PST by Shqipo ((A new tagline is currently under construction))
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To: george76

Okay Freepers.... who is Richard B. Veit from Carbondale?

Someone must have a handle on this fellow’s carbon footprint!


26 posted on 02/12/2009 5:36:18 PM PST by pointsal
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To: george76
I came across the use of “victims,” referring to crew members on the Cole that were killed, instead of “casualties” or as the “dead.”

Mr Veit, I urge you to not stray too far from the sidewalk on your Birkenstock shod lunchtime walk to Bean Sprouts R Us lest you become a pedestrian "casualty" or worse yet "dead" after being struck by some ditto head listening to Rush instead of paying full time and attention to driving his Hummer.

27 posted on 02/12/2009 5:37:54 PM PST by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash ?)
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To: george76

Google...Richard B. Veit - a scooter seeker

http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/shame-liberty

http://www.aspentimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060222/LETTER/102220015&template=printart

http://toolbar.google.com/archivesearch?q=mary+margaret+college+helen+elizabeth&scoring=t&hl=en&ned=tus&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=1940&as_hdate=1949&lnav=hist5

http://www.postindependent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030620/LETTER/306190045

http://spiderbites.nytimes.com/pay_1948/articles_1948_09_00002.html

http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20080823/LETTER/113847/1020/AE&parentprofile=


28 posted on 02/12/2009 5:46:45 PM PST by pointsal
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To: george76

I would like to meet the author of this vomit in a dark alley some night.


29 posted on 02/12/2009 5:49:03 PM PST by Venturer
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To: george76

Take another it on that doobie, man, I can still understand you.


30 posted on 02/12/2009 5:53:31 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: DaGman
terrorism |ˈterəˌrizəm|

noun

the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.


31 posted on 02/12/2009 5:58:40 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: george76

What I don’t get is the phenomenon of liberals trying to make us feel badly because - unlike them - we use “common sense,” which to them is obviously quite the opposite: Rare (or even nonexistent).


32 posted on 02/12/2009 6:18:32 PM PST by Marauder (Politicians use words the way squids use ink.)
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To: Danae

Redefinition of the word “terrorist” in its happening.


33 posted on 02/12/2009 6:19:20 PM PST by myknowledge (Nothing beats Australia's F-22EMA Raptor)
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To: All

Richard B. Veit is today’s STUCK ON STUPID award winner.


34 posted on 02/12/2009 6:30:22 PM PST by Cindy
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To: george76

OK, first off that was from Aspen Daily Snooze. So consider the gene pool of the readers of that paper.

I wonder what the obtuse Mr.Veit thinks we should make of the Sept. 11th attacks? Would he say that the Twin Towers were attacked by terrorists, but the Pentagon was not? How about Flight 93 that was ditched with the help of patriots before it could hit the White House? Were they not terrorists when they were headed for the White House and then they were terrorists when what they accomplished was killing a plane full of citizens?


35 posted on 02/12/2009 6:42:01 PM PST by TheConservativeParty (tagline under construction)
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To: george76

OK, first off that was from Aspen Daily Snooze. So consider the gene pool of the readers of that paper.

I wonder what the obtuse Mr.Veit thinks we should make of the Sept. 11th attacks? Would he say that the Twin Towers were attacked by terrorists, but the Pentagon was not? How about Flight 93 that was ditched with the help of patriots before it could hit the White House? Were they not terrorists when they were headed for the White House and then they were terrorists when what they accomplished was killing a plane full of citizens?


36 posted on 02/12/2009 6:45:15 PM PST by TheConservativeParty (tagline under construction)
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To: TheConservativeParty

Made me so angry, I double posted.


37 posted on 02/12/2009 6:46:50 PM PST by TheConservativeParty (tagline under construction)
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To: george76

Ladies and gentlemen, meet historical revisionism before our very eyes.

I’d laugh if this weren’t such a tragic example of bedwetting liberalism and the affect they have not only on our modern world, but the way that history will judge us.


38 posted on 02/12/2009 6:56:52 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: XeniaSt
This definition leaves out one important characteristic of “terror”, as opposed to “guerrilla War” or “war crimes”.

Terrorism is acts of war or political violence carried out by those with no legitimate, recognized right to do so. They are not governments. Governments which violate the rules of war commit war crimes. They are not even recognized quasi-government political movements like the Viet Cong (which had a shadow government and even a kinda-sorta parliament). Such conduct guerrilla war, and are supposed to be held accountable to the laws, uses and practices of war. Terrorists are individuals, perhaps small factions, even political parties, who may or (usually)may not wear uniforms, use only ‘approved and accepted weapons’, strike at military targets only, and hold their members accountable for their actions; usually they do none of these.

Under the usages and conventions of war in the 19th Century, such parties were equated with pirates, and could be summarily executed if caught bearing arms. I do not know what the current international law on them is, and I am afraid that the American government's legal position on terrorism is - shall we say - not a model of clarity and applicability.

VietVet

39 posted on 02/12/2009 7:13:07 PM PST by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: george76

Before all of you go off on a rant you need to understand the reasons for a specific and limited definition of terrorism, as well as other forms of violence for political ends - and why the distinctions are important.

I am halfway through a course on terrorism in the Middle East at the local University. It is taught by a part-time visiting professor of sociology from Israel - part-time because he is also an IDF infantry major, on the command staff of the Northern District of Israel (facing Hizbollah in Syria and Lebanon).

Israel is a small country with a very capable armed force, but it is small compared to the giants. The senior officers know each other, and during their military careers have worked in most of the different areas of military service. So Major Chodoff has more experience with both counter-terrorism and guerilla warfare than almost anyone you could mention.

First, the definition. Terrorism consists of violence or the credible threat of violence, committed against non-combatants but targeted for a larger audience, for the purpose of effecting political change. The targeting is indiscriminate - not aimed at specific individuals, although frequently at a group or class. And it is ALWAYS committed by a non-state entity.

This kind of an attack committed by one state against another is no less than an act of war, and terrorism is an inadequate word to describe it.

Assassination differs in that it is aimed directly at the political establishment, whether that is the ruler, military, police, or civil government. Tyrannicide has an ancient history, but it peaked in the 19th and early 20th centuries in the anarchist movement. By the way, how do you organize an anarchy? Two of the most famous victims were President McKinley and Archduke Ferdinand.

The problem lies in our general approval of personal freedom and antipathy toward repression and dictatorship. We tend to view movements of national liberation in a positive light, even when they engage in violence to achieve their ends. The mistaken notion that, “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.” makes a specific and exclusive definition of terrorism essential if we are to decide whom to support and whom to oppose.

Consider our sympathy for the victims in Darfur, Kurds in Iraq, and currently for some on this forum, the Palestinians, who pay NO HEED WHATSOEVER to the Geneva conventions. For instance, Israel had know for months that the Gaza headquarters for Hamas were located in the basement of the main hospital in Gaza City. That ENUMERATED war crime automatically made EVERY HOSPITAL IN GAZA a legitimate military target according to the Geneva convention, without regard to any “collateral damage” to civilians within. But of course, Israel did NOT attack that or any other hospital during their incursion.


40 posted on 02/12/2009 8:26:50 PM PST by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!.)
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To: MainFrame65

Now that I read my post above, I see that I omitted guerilla operations. Guerillas operate against military or quasi-military targets or other government facilities - force vs force - and do not target non-combatants, although collateral damage may occur. They operate as a quasi-military organization, and attempt to actually establish specific areas of influence, if not actual control.


41 posted on 02/12/2009 8:43:32 PM PST by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!.)
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To: VietVet
I agree with you.

I quote the dictionary when people make s**FF up as they go along.


42 posted on 02/13/2009 7:23:02 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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