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Lawmakers Consider Gun Bill (Iowa)
Des Moines Register ^ | February 12, 2009 | Staff Writer

Posted on 02/12/2009 5:44:40 PM PST by suzy02

Lawmakers Consider Gun Bill WHO Staff Writer February 12, 2009

A bill being discussed in an Iowa House subcommittee would make it illegal to have or carry a gun in a vehicle on a public highway. The law would apply to all guns expect those that are fastened in cases and have its barrels and attached magazines unloaded.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; gunlaws; iowa

1 posted on 02/12/2009 5:44:40 PM PST by suzy02
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To: suzy02

My barrels are always unloaded.


2 posted on 02/12/2009 5:47:09 PM PST by smokingfrog (Is it just my imagination, or is the water in this pot getting a little too hot?)
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To: suzy02

Do what I did: Move to Texas!!


3 posted on 02/12/2009 5:48:25 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." Barry Goldwater)
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To: suzy02
Nobody in Iowa hunts? Oh right. Field of Dreams. I get it.
4 posted on 02/12/2009 5:50:02 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: suzy02

I’ve never been to Iowa, but this sure doesn’t sound like my image of it.


5 posted on 02/12/2009 5:54:14 PM PST by VR-21
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To: ExSoldier

Iowa is a “may issue” gun permit state.


6 posted on 02/12/2009 5:54:40 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: suzy02

They’re serious this time — a person could get a fine of up to $50 (from the article).


7 posted on 02/12/2009 5:54:43 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: suzy02

There is very little information here. As a hunter I was taught that all guns should be cased and unloaded. Doesn’t say so but would appear that this is targeted at concealed carry permits.


8 posted on 02/12/2009 5:56:17 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: smokingfrog

It’s amazing what lawmakers invent out of sheer ignorance....


9 posted on 02/12/2009 5:57:28 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR......Monthly Donors Wanted)
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To: PeterPrinciple
This is from the state that keeps electing Harkin to the senate.

What a putz!!!

10 posted on 02/12/2009 5:58:35 PM PST by Taylor42
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To: smokingfrog

My barrels are never loaded either. This is either bad reporting or bad law writing. In both cases it is bad writing.


11 posted on 02/12/2009 6:05:26 PM PST by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: suzy02

Well, I guess if one has a muzzleloader one can say the barrel is “loaded.” But other than that....


12 posted on 02/12/2009 6:08:12 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Pelagius of Asturias

What, you think that someone in the press might not understand firearms? Where else are you going to read about cop killer, pump action, full auto machine revolvers?


13 posted on 02/12/2009 6:09:55 PM PST by MichiganConservative (You are a slave. The government is your owner and master. For many slaves, it is also their god.)
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To: suzy02

>A bill being discussed in an Iowa House subcommittee would make it illegal to have or carry a
>gun in a vehicle on a public highway. The law would apply to all guns expect those that are
>fastened in cases and have its barrels and attached magazines unloaded.

How does this NOT infringe on people’s right to travel?
And isn’t it also an infringement on 2A stuff?


14 posted on 02/12/2009 6:15:02 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
It sounds much like the crappy law in California. I had to keep all my firearms unloaded and in locked cases and in my locked trunk between my home and the range. Ammo was kept in my range bag. Under those circumstances I could "travel". It certainly infringed on my right to "bear". That which is unloaded and locked away is perfectly useless for self defense.
15 posted on 02/12/2009 6:23:21 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: VR-21

I grew up in Iowa and went hunting and shooting all the time.

Its become extremely liberal. IMO its the decades of farm subsidies that have destroyed any notion of personal responsibility.


16 posted on 02/12/2009 6:25:08 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: suzy02

Thank God for Texas.


17 posted on 02/12/2009 6:28:58 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: Myrddin

>That which is unloaded and locked away is perfectly useless for self defense.

This is true. Now, what about the USSC ruling that the Police do NOT have the obligation to help you... in other words, they stripped you of even the idea/pretense that the police are, as an organization, right?, even concerned about you as a person.


18 posted on 02/12/2009 6:29:19 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: MichiganConservative

>Where else are you going to read about cop killer, pump action, full auto machine revolvers?

LOL/ROFL -— I’m tempted to see if I could design one now, just for the S&Gs of it! :D


19 posted on 02/12/2009 6:30:37 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: servantboy777
Thank God for Texas.

Amen to that.

I continue to encourage all conservative patriots to relocate to Texas, the native land of freedom, wealth, guns, and George Strait.


20 posted on 02/12/2009 6:31:31 PM PST by Starfleet Command
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To: smokingfrog
My barrels are always unloaded.

Mine too, except for that brief moment following the unloading of a chamber, preceding something dying.

21 posted on 02/12/2009 6:35:06 PM PST by Starfleet Command
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To: OneWingedShark
Federal court decision:
"A state cannot impose a license, tax or fee on a constitutionally protected right."
Murdock vs.Pennsylvania 319 US 105 (1942)

For those who rely on law and common sense, the possession of firearms is clearly "a constitutionally protected right". Regardless of this truth, most states require a citizen to pay a "fee" (registration or background check "fee") in order to obtain a "license" (concealed carry "license") before keeping and/or bearing a firearm. And, a federal and/or state "tax" (firearms and ammunitions sales "tax" or machine gun "tax" collected by the BATF) is always levied at the time of firearm transaction.

Criminals can not be compelled to register guns. The U. S. Supreme Court determined,
"...that a felon who has a gun cannot be compelled to complete such forms, because it violates the Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination. That's right, registration -- not in your case of course but in the case of a criminal -- is a self-indictment of a crime, and is therefore prohibited."
Haynes vs United States (1968).

In 1856, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled,
"Local law enforcement has no duty to protect individuals but only a general duty to enforce the laws."
South vs. Maryland, 59 US (HOW) 396, 15 L. Ed. 433 (1856).

A U. S. Federal Appeals Court declared in 1982,
"There is no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen."
Bowers vs. devot, U. S. Court of Appeals, 7th Circuit 686 F. 2d 616 (1982).

The U.S. Supreme Court declared,
"The Constitution does not impose a duty on the state and local governments to protect citizens from criminal harm."
DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 489 U.S. 189, 109 S. Ct. 998, 103 L. Ed. 2d 249 (1989)

"The purpose of the Second Amendment is to restrain the federal government from regulating the possession of arms where such regulation would interfere with the preservation or efficiency of the militia."
U.S. v. Hale, 978 F.2d 1016 (8th Cir.1992)

22 posted on 02/12/2009 6:38:51 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: MichiganConservative

I once heard in a news report that a criminal was found with a “ .22 caliber automatic long rifle revolver” or something like that. I figured the reporterette must have meant a .22 caliber semi-auto pistol. But I speak English and not ignorant reporterese so what do I know?


23 posted on 02/12/2009 6:53:59 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: suzy02

In Iowa, a loaded magazine is for legal purposes a loaded gun. Any law pertaining to loaded guns can be applied to a magazine with bullets in it, even if there’s no actual gun around.


24 posted on 02/12/2009 6:57:46 PM PST by JenB
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To: suzy02

I was right!!

In my list of the new Western States of America, I didn’t include Iowa, and this says why!!

Amazing—there are lots of hunters who support Iowa with license fees.


25 posted on 02/12/2009 7:00:03 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Iowa is a “may issue” gun permit state.

For concealed handguns in a self defense role. Okay, I get that. But this is going to hit the hunters a lot harder, I think. They probably aren't paying attention, just yet. Hunters tend to think that most "gun control" is after the ccw crowd or "assault weapons." What they fail to grasp is that the antis either view them as being a murderer of poor Bambi or their rifles as being long range sniper rifles needing to be eliminated, anyway.

26 posted on 02/12/2009 8:21:13 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: suzy02
Several years ago the Arkansas Game&Fish had a law passed that makes it illegal to carry a rifle or shotgun in a vehicle on a “public road” that is is not inside a case and unloaded.
27 posted on 02/12/2009 8:34:47 PM PST by kempo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Do what I did: Move to Texas!!

Even here it is illegal to carry a loaded handgun in your vehicle unless it is concealed, which is more regulation than I like.

28 posted on 02/12/2009 9:22:16 PM PST by KarinG1 (Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
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To: ExSoldier
I had an Iowa "carry" permit when I lived there. Issuing one of these permits is completely at the local sheriff's discretion. Some sheriffs will allow virtually anyone to qualify; others require an actual threat to the applicant's life. The permit is good for a year and can be renewed.
I get what you said about some hunters. They believe the Libs will confiscate their guns last.
29 posted on 02/13/2009 5:52:11 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: ExSoldier

“their rifles as being long range sniper rifles needing to be eliminated”

You don’t have to worry about this in Iowa. This right has already been taken away. Deer hunting in Iowa is shotgun only. I heard a year or so back they were thinking about opening up a few counties for a short rifle season because of deer over-population, but I haven’t heard any more since.

My in-laws live in Iowa. On our annual trek up each Christmas from Texas, I carry my Glock. Coming from Texas with my CHL, I have no issues through Oklahoma, Kansas, or Missouri. Before entering Iowa, I have to pull over in Missouri, unload my pistol (including magazines), lock the case, store the ammo in a different location, and lock it all in the trunk. It’s quickly approaching California status.....


30 posted on 02/13/2009 7:00:37 AM PST by rocket002
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To: rocket002
Deer hunting in Iowa is shotgun only.

~shudders, wave of nausea shoots through body~

Well that explains a lot! Wasn't IOWA the first political victory for the Obama Juggernaut? That's where he got his first real political traction in the race. He started with a win in Iowa and Hillary never had a chance thereafter.

I make it a habit to never visit or pass through a state where I don't enjoy full CCW reciprocity. I was able to drive from Miami FL to Austin Texas and home the two times we drove out to Texas to pick up a newfie puppie. I always felt safe with a Sig or an H&K tucked away out of sight. If I can't carry, I simply won't "go." Does Iowa allow hunting with a handgun?

31 posted on 02/13/2009 9:40:47 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

Luckily, all the states I have to pass through are pretty gun friendly (Oklahoma being the next best after Texas). But since Iowa is my final destination, there is not much I can change.

Actually, they have opened up the hunting regulations a little bit. The two southern rows of counties in the state are open to centerfire rifles, but only to residents and only during the January antlerless season. Handguns (.357 and larger) and muzzleloaders are allowed. No baiting allowed. Sucks for me because I have never been able to bring my trusty .270 to hunt over Christmas. I guess I’ll stick to sitting in a warm blind in Texas over a timed feeder.

This was a huge debate last time we went back there. All the locals were complaining about how dangerous rifle hunting is because of how far the bullet can travel. They didn’t like my response of “that only matters if you miss your target”. We find so many deer up there that have died a slow death after someone tried to take a 150 yd shot with a shotgun and took off a leg or something. The rifle is more humane and would also help keep the deer population in check.


32 posted on 02/13/2009 10:01:38 AM PST by rocket002
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To: rocket002
We find so many deer up there that have died a slow death after someone tried to take a 150 yd shot with a shotgun and took off a leg or something.

Oh man that sucks. Usually such great Bwana style "hunters" take off after the deer and the adrenalin rush kicks the deer into the next county and that slow agonizing death. If a hunter would just sit still after such a shot, the animal will go 50 meters and sit down to lick it's wound. The muscles stiffen up and he's easier to find and finish, humanely. I hate folks who take a shot they can't be certain will anchor game in their tracks. I took an elk over near Fort Lewis WA back in the 1980s with a 44 magnum handgun and it dropped clean and sweet. Tasted great, too. I have a buddy who regularly hunts Elk with a .375 H&H Magnum. Talk about anchoring game! He makes his shots count, too.

33 posted on 02/13/2009 11:32:52 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: All

Actually, this Gun Bill contains one minor change that is good for Iowa.

There are SEVERAL Bills in the works to change Iowa’s law from May Issue to Shall Issue.

Also, a couple of these Bills will add RECIPROCITY, so that those who have permits from other States may carry in Iowa.

Find more information about Iowa’s Permit to Carry at:

http://www.iowacarry.org/pages.php?pageid=56


34 posted on 02/19/2009 8:31:12 PM PST by no4gman (IowaCarry.org)
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To: ExSoldier

“Does Iowa allow hunting with a handgun? “

Yes. People may hunt deer with bows, handguns, blackpowder weapons, shotgun slugs, and rifles. Hunting with a rifle is highly restricted by the time and place.

More info here:
http://www.iowadnr.gov/law/files/08huntingregs.pdf


35 posted on 02/19/2009 9:43:33 PM PST by MacGuffin
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