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White House provides plane to senator for key stimulus vote
CNN ^ | 2/13/2009

Posted on 02/13/2009 9:41:35 PM PST by james500

The White House has provided the use of a government airplane to a key Democratic senator in order to ensure the availability of what may prove to be the deciding 60th vote in favor of the $787 billion economic stimulus package.

Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, has returned to his home state to attend a wake for his 88-year-old mother, who died February 2 from complications from leukemia. At the end of the wake, Brown will be flown from Mansfield, Ohio, to Andrews Air Force Base.

After he casts his vote, he will return to Ohio for his mother's funeral early Saturday.

The plane is being provided by the White House, Brown's office said, because the vote is considered "official business," and there are no commercial flights available that would allow him to cast the vote and return to Ohio for his mother's funeral Saturday morning.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: 111th; lping; separationofpowers; stimulus
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How is this different from those horrible lobbyists who provide private aircraft to US Senators?
1 posted on 02/13/2009 9:41:35 PM PST by james500
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To: james500
More to the point, we just had several days of hearings berating the use of corporate jets as wasteful spending by corporations. What a joke these clowns are. This whole this is an embarrassment for the nation.
2 posted on 02/13/2009 9:46:48 PM PST by WHBates
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To: james500

So much for the separation of powers. We live in a fascist state.


3 posted on 02/13/2009 9:47:01 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: james500

Fetid Dem Senators grill bank CEOs and excoriate them about having private aircraft. Then same Fetid Dem Senators fly on military aircraft to get to a vote. Even worse, Queen Pelosi has a 767 at her beck and call to fly between CA and DC. Good God, I hate the ruling class in the US. Why can’t we throw all these schmucks into a swamp and elect some real Americans who understand representative democracy?


4 posted on 02/13/2009 9:47:34 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: james500

“Um, teacher? I have a question, teacher! I thought you said that Congress and the presidency were two separate branches of government!”


5 posted on 02/13/2009 9:48:23 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: james500

Good grief! This has to be passed so urgently, they are flying a man in between the wake and funeral of his mother!!

This is a bloody nightmare.

So if he is the 60th vote, who voted for Coleman/Franken seat and who is the official deadtome Republican that voted for it?


6 posted on 02/13/2009 9:48:45 PM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristopherson)
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To: WHBates
No doubt this is another "Gore at the Dam" event where the amount of jet fuel wasted on this trip exceeds all the jet fuel all the corporate bailout executives could have wasted for the rest of the century.

The Obama Regime is recapitulating the history of the Democrat party isn't it.

7 posted on 02/13/2009 9:49:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: james500

So it is written, so it is done.

PharOh will provide.


8 posted on 02/13/2009 9:49:45 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Obamunism, the fatal cure for Bush Derangement Syndrome.)
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To: james500

He should’ve driven a Chevy.


9 posted on 02/13/2009 9:49:50 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Yaelle

Equal but SEPERATE...

I want my children to study this fact very clearly. This article is the exact moment in time that the Republic known as the United States of America ceased to exist as we knew it.


10 posted on 02/13/2009 9:50:09 PM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristopherson)
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To: autumnraine
Good grief! This has to be passed so urgently, they are flying a man in between the wake and funeral of his mother!!

Not to be callous, but I wonder how much reading Sherrod was able to do at the funeral.
11 posted on 02/13/2009 9:51:20 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: james500
I guess Queen Pelosi’s plane was down for maintenance.

Could you imagine if President Bush pulled the same thing for an important vote in Congress? Oberwoman would have blown a fuse.

12 posted on 02/13/2009 9:53:31 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Obamunism, the fatal cure for Bush Derangement Syndrome.)
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To: james500

I am just going to copy what I wrote on another thread about this. The short version is that any multi-hundred-billion-dollar company that sends its CEO around on commercial airlines is grossly irresponsible. This is class warfare of the most distorted kind. The time of a top-level officer of such a company genuinely IS worth more than the cost of charter air travel. The cost of having said ceo spend 100 hours a year checking in, 2 full work-days a year lost to missed connections/delays, etc., is huge. My previous post -

“the entire class warfare stuff about corporate planes is really being distorted beyond reason, at least in terms of the need of corporate officers to get to point B from point A without spending the night in atlanta (or DFW ORD DTW MSP etc) when their flight is late and their connection gone, not to mention the hours spend in check-in, baggage claim, etc.

If you are CEO or other major officer of a major company (billions in revenue), the cost to the company of you being out of functional circulation, particularly unplanned as in cxl’ed flights, is just too high to justify risking flying Delta. Whether the company charters, leases, owns, etc., is in part semantics. I don’t doubt that planes are used by officers for recreational motives also, but imagine one of those ceo’s at the congressional hearing not showing up because delta had an equipment issue.”


13 posted on 02/13/2009 9:56:26 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: autumnraine

Exactly right.The issue isn’t the gas spent on a one passenger mission, it is the Executive Branch directly facilitating a critical Legislative function. In the past even the worst Presidents would have known that it was just wrong. The music has died.


14 posted on 02/13/2009 10:02:55 PM PST by Controlling Legal Authority
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To: WHBates

**berating the use of corporate jets as wasteful spending **

Exactly. Obama is guilty here. Wasting fuel and energy.


15 posted on 02/13/2009 10:06:36 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation; All

Gas and spending has nothing to do with this!

The EXECUTIVE BRANCH jetted a member of the LEGISLATIVE branch to do the EXECUTIVE BRANCH’s bidding.

Do you NOT UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS HERE?

DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS FOR OUR ONCE NATION?

I’M SCREAMING BECAUSE THIS IS HUGE!

Does anyone understand this except Controlling Legal Authority???


16 posted on 02/13/2009 10:13:11 PM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristopherson)
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To: autumnraine

Posts #3 10 and 14 “get” it.


17 posted on 02/13/2009 10:15:51 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

Thank you SpaceBar. I should have read more clearly thier posts. I just kept seeing gas and corporate jets and it was flying right over everyone’s head it seemed.


18 posted on 02/13/2009 10:17:14 PM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristopherson)
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To: SpaceBar

Oh, and #14 was the “Controlling Legal Authority” I was talking about.


19 posted on 02/13/2009 10:18:05 PM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristopherson)
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To: autumnraine
I'm with you. We have witnessed an unparalleled breach of the basic rules of our government. It's illegal.
20 posted on 02/13/2009 10:19:18 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: james500

If Brown had voted NAY, would he have had to walk home?


21 posted on 02/13/2009 10:21:38 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Kickass Conservative
guess Queen Pelosi’s plane was down for maintenance.

Queen Bee Pelosi's plane is taking her and cohorts on a week long European tour. They left today (Friday 13). I believe Drudge had an item on it.

22 posted on 02/13/2009 10:22:20 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: james500

I’m suprised Barack (piss be upon him) didn’t command the senator to delay his mother’s funeral like The One did with his “Typical white person” granny.


23 posted on 02/13/2009 10:26:23 PM PST by Karma Police ((optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Queen Pelosi has a 767 at her beck and call

The Air Force doesn't have any 767s and you need to do some reading

24 posted on 02/13/2009 10:30:59 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: james500

Email this to everyone in your address book:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvnwOjDjnH4

And, pray.


25 posted on 02/13/2009 10:45:07 PM PST by XR7
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To: April Lexington

During the past three or so weeks I’ve seen more abuse of power from the obama administration than I could ever imagine. Talk about the enemy of the state. There is a total disregard of the Constitution by obama and his progressive caucus comrades in the house. I don’t believe the so-called blue dogs are conservative about anything after seeing them vote in favor of the spending bill.

We have to mobilize and get conservatives elected in 2010.


26 posted on 02/13/2009 10:49:31 PM PST by Enough is ENOUGH
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To: Enough is ENOUGH
During the past three or so weeks I’ve seen more abuse of power from the obama administration than I could ever imagine. Talk about the enemy of the state. There is a total disregard of the Constitution by obama and his progressive caucus comrades in the house. I don’t believe the so-called blue dogs are conservative about anything after seeing them vote in favor of the spending bill.

NIXON IS SPINNING IN HIS GRAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

27 posted on 02/13/2009 10:50:59 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Snopes also says that Obama is an American citizen. Yep. we should take snopes word for everything.


28 posted on 02/13/2009 10:57:47 PM PST by publana (Belated New Year's Resolution: No taxes.)
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To: autumnraine

“I’M SCREAMING BECAUSE THIS IS HUGE!”

“I just kept seeing gas and corporate jets and it was flying right over everyone’s head it seemed.”

It’s not unprecedented and it’s not illegal. Perhaps you can cite the specific Act or law that has been violated. All I see is a hypocritical White House and some possible bad PR but as you pointed out, I’m not particularly bright.


29 posted on 02/13/2009 10:59:23 PM PST by james500
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To: james500

I am more angry at the 3 sell outs - without them this would not pass.


30 posted on 02/13/2009 11:28:11 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: 1066AD
Yes, the ruling class had a rough week destroying capitalism. They deserve a European Holiday.

Time for them to spend those greenbacks while they're worth more than the paper they're printed on.

31 posted on 02/13/2009 11:31:29 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Obamunism, the fatal cure for Bush Derangement Syndrome.)
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To: April Lexington
So much for the separation of powers. We live in a fascist state.

Party first, re-election second...country comes in around ten or eleven.

32 posted on 02/14/2009 1:47:05 AM PST by mort56
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To: Controlling Legal Authority
Exactly right.The issue isn’t the gas spent on a one passenger mission, it is the Executive Branch directly facilitating a critical Legislative function. In the past even the worst Presidents would have known that it was just wrong. The music has died.

#1. Dear Leader and Community-Organizer-in-Chief-for-Life Barack Obama, list of offenses building rapidly
#2. James Buchanan, chose not to respond to the start of the Civil War
#3. Bill Clinton, perjury, abuse of power, and related offenses
#4. Richard Nixon, burglary and abuse of power

I expected the Affirmative Action "president" to make the top of the list of the worst leaders in our country's history, but not quite so quickly. Obama has now wasted more money in a few weeks than Bush did in his first 7 1/2 years. He has trampled the enumerated powers, the separation of powers, and the fundamentals under which the United States was formed. The scary part is that I think he's just getting warmed up - the big crimes against humanity are still in his future.

33 posted on 02/14/2009 4:09:52 AM PST by MathDoc (If there ever was a time that Obama looked like an amateur, it's right now.)
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To: April Lexington

[We live in a fascist state.]

This is why we need a conservative party and the GOP is liberal lite.


34 posted on 02/14/2009 4:59:52 AM PST by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: MathDoc
I'd put Jimbo Carter at #3 on your list. At least. The Dear Leader hasn't passed Buchanan yet, but he's getting close. After only three weeks.

And Nixon? He had the decency to resign and shut-up, so I think he's moving toward the middle of the pack.

35 posted on 02/14/2009 5:01:21 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: WHBates

“corporate jets as wasteful spending by corporations...”
Not to mention the great damage is costing to the environment, well, not a “biggie,” that’s the price we must paid for the Messiah.


36 posted on 02/14/2009 6:25:16 AM PST by fiodora
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To: fiodora

Well yes, for them; “The end always justifies the means.”


37 posted on 02/14/2009 6:30:56 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go? (ACORN))
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
The plane is being provided by the White House, Brown's office said, because the vote is considered "official business"

Separation of Powers is now out the window.




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38 posted on 02/14/2009 7:06:23 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: james500
Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio

And his name will live in infamy.

39 posted on 02/14/2009 7:07:40 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: bamahead
For my senator, who Bill O’Reilly said was a “left wing nut.” Thanks, Ohio.
40 posted on 02/14/2009 7:22:09 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: bamahead
Sherrod Brown was my Congressman before redistricting after the 2000 census. I just can't get away from this guy. Hey, ho, way to go, Ohio!
41 posted on 02/14/2009 7:23:06 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: bamahead
I live in the #4 county (a RED county) in the nation in which to raise a family according to Forbes Magazine. When Sherrod Brown was our Congressman, we didn't give a hoot about him and still don't.
42 posted on 02/14/2009 7:24:21 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: james500
How is this different from those horrible lobbyists who provide private aircraft to US Senators?
The lobbyists pay for their planes out of their own pockets. This plane is paid for with taxpayer funds.
43 posted on 02/14/2009 8:27:10 AM PST by jmcenanly
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To: bamahead; All
Sherrod Brown used AL FRANKEN as the guest speaker for conference call to any supporters who wanted to call in and listen during his campaign for the U.S. Senate. Now, if that doesn't tell you something, ...
44 posted on 02/14/2009 8:29:12 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: james500

The problem here, as I see it, is that something that is “just known and understood” by anyone with a basic knowledge of our system of government’s separation of powers concept wouldn’t even consider spending money and offering executive branch resources to a legislator to facilitate a unique function of the legislator, especially when the President wants that legislator to perform his function in a way that furthers the President’s ambitions. It is not that it is wrong or a violation of the Constitution for the President to offer a ride to a congressman on a plane, say, if the President happens to be giving a speech in Legislator’s home town with him present and offers him an empty seat on the flight back to Washington. But when it is done to specifically further the Executive’s interest in a piece of pending legislation, and when the President wants that legislator’s vote, it clearly and obviously crosses the line.
When we are considering things like this, there can’t be a statute or regulation to cover everything that could happen.
We must depend upon the President (or any other governmental member of the other 2 branches) to know when a particular act, even if not a violation of a particular statute or regulation, is a violation of the separation of powers concept or any other Constitutional requirement.

The really sad thing is to me is that I doubt if they(the white house) had any idea or thought that to do this infringes on the Constitution. It would take a statute or reg before they would even consider their actions in light of the Constitution. We can’t even begin to think of what they may do in the future that isn’t directly controlled by a statute or regulation.
My prediction is that if they aren’t called on this they will continue to do whatever they think they can, regardless of the Constitution, in order to “save the country”.
When I read this I immediately thought that we were heading down the path of the Roman Senate calling upon Julius Ceaser to save the Republic and it doesn’t matter how it is done. And that very act thus ends the Republic as we once knew it.


45 posted on 02/14/2009 9:19:45 AM PST by Controlling Legal Authority
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To: Enough is ENOUGH
We have to mobilize and get conservatives elected in 2010.

Three things: 1) If the nation survives until 2010 2) IF we even have free elections in 2010. 3) What can be done before 2010?

46 posted on 02/14/2009 3:15:52 PM PST by madison10
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To: madison10

We need to start by contacting the RNC Chairman’s office and ask how we can ensure that conservative candidates are available for primaries in our own districts. We will need names of candidates and organizatiuons supporting them. Then we need to contact them and get involved either by working full time, part-time or or whatever time we can.


47 posted on 02/14/2009 3:53:09 PM PST by Enough is ENOUGH
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To: autumnraine
I'm with you on this. This is an egregious abuse of power and presents a huge conflict of interest. This is the kind of thing that would happen in Venezuela.

Obama fancies himself emperor. The sycophantic media that snuck his no talent a$$ into office are the willing accomplices who would have eviscerated any republican for providing or receiving such a perk.

This is only the beginning. I pray for our country, the United States of America (not the brainless zombies who voted for this wretch — they can all go to hell).

48 posted on 02/14/2009 4:29:03 PM PST by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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To: SpaceBar
Either that, or all those WHouse Of REpresentative Hearings that execs took private jets to are no longer deemed important enough to count as official business.

Yes, the executive did just breach a rigorous interpretation of constitutional jurisprudence for personal advantage. He started small, he'll keep doing it until he gets out of hand. It won't shock me if he winds up impeached.

49 posted on 02/14/2009 4:42:34 PM PST by .cnI redruM (Change is not always good, and Hope is not a plan.)
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To: james500
If the plane crashes in the woods, will anyone hear him scream?
50 posted on 02/14/2009 4:45:35 PM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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