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Democrats sneak Net neutrality rules into 'stimulus' bill (anti-1st Amendment)
http://news.cnet.com ^ | January 15, 2009 4:46 PM PST | by Declan McCullagh

Posted on 02/18/2009 11:07:17 AM PST by ebiskit

The House Democrats' $825 billion legislation released on Thursday was supposedly intended to "stimulate" the economy. Backers claimed that speedy approval was vital because the nation is in "a crisis not seen since the Great Depression" and "the economy is shutting down."

That's the rhetoric. But in reality, Democrats are using the 258-page legislation to sneak Net neutrality rules in through the back door.

The so-called stimulus package hands out billions of dollars in grants for broadband and wireless development, primarily in what are called "unserved" and "underserved" areas. The U.S. Department of Commerce is charged with writing checks-with-many-zeros-on-them to eligible recipients, including telecommunications companies, local and state governments, and even construction companies and other businesses that might be interested.

The catch is that the federal largesse comes with Net neutrality strings attached. The Commerce Department must ensure that the recipients "adhere to" the Federal Communications Commission's 2005 broadband policy statement (PDF)--which the FCC said at the time was advisory and "not enforceable," and has become the subject of a lawsuit before a federal appeals court in Washington, D.C.

One interpretation of the "adhere to" requirement is that a company like AT&T, Verizon, or Comcast that takes "stimulus" dollars to deploy broadband in, say, Nebraska must abide by these rules nationwide. (It's rather like the state of Nebraska demanding that a broadband provider filter out porn nationwide in exchange for a lucrative government contract.)

In addition, recipients must operate broadband and high-speed wireless networks on an "open access basis." The FCC, soon to be under Democratic control, is charged with deciding what that means. Congress didn't see fit to include a definition.

The Bush administration has taken a dim view of Internet regulations in the form of Net neutrality rules, warning last year that they could "inefficiently skew investment, delay innovation, and diminish consumer welfare, and there is reason to believe that the kinds of broad marketplace restrictions proposed in the name of 'neutrality' would do just that, with respect to the Internet." A report from the Federal Trade Commission reached the same conclusion in 2007.

In addition, a recent study from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce says that the absence of Net neutrality laws or similar federally mandated regulations has spurred telecommunications companies to invest heavily in infrastructure, and changing the rules "would have a devastating effect on the U.S. economy, investment, and innovation."

Now, perhaps extensive Net neutrality regulations are wise. But enough people seem to have honest, deep-seated reservations about them to justify a sincere discussion of costs and benefits--rather than having the requirements stealthily injected into what supposed to be an emergency save-the-economy bill scheduled for a floor vote within a week or so.

Net neutrality requirements can, of course, always be imposed retroactively on broadband "stimulus" recipients. As recently as one day ago, a Democratic Senate aide was saying the topic would be addressed in the Judiciary Committee in the near future; there seems little reason to rush to lard up this particular legislation.

But it always seems to happen. Last fall's TARP bailout bill included IRS snooping. A port security bill included Internet gambling restrictions; the Real ID Act was glued onto a military spending and tsunami relief bill; a library filtering law was attached to a destined-to-be-enacted bill funding Congress itself.

It's enough to make you want to force our elected representatives to actually read the bills they pass.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; barackobama; bho44; bhocommerce; bhofcc; bhostimulus; broadband; censorship; censorshipdoctrine; democratcongress; democrats; economy; fairnessdoctrine; fcc; internet; internetregulation; liberalfascism; lping; netneutrality; obamatruthfile; porkulus; powergrab; sorocrats; stimulus; telecom; wireless
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To: rustbucket

I feel a guerrilla war coming on.


41 posted on 02/18/2009 12:54:23 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: ebiskit

bttt


42 posted on 02/18/2009 1:06:08 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Fred Hayek

“So FreeRepublic then becomes the equivalent of the underground Samizdat press in the Soviet Union.”

Actually net neutrality means it would be illegal for the ISP to block Free Republic, or charge you extra to go here.

Net neutrality is how the internet works now.


43 posted on 02/18/2009 1:11:17 PM PST by Rhino371
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To: babble-on
-- think that the provider of the device should get paid for providing the device, but shouldn’t get to control what goes across that device. The Telecom firms want to privilege certain packets (advertisements that they get paid for). I think that’s crap.--
44 posted on 02/18/2009 1:23:23 PM PST by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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To: ebiskit

btttt


45 posted on 02/18/2009 1:35:39 PM PST by The Anti-One (So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.)
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To: ebiskit
The so-called stimulus package hands out billions of dollars in grants for broadband and wireless development, primarily in what are called "unserved" and "underserved" areas. The U.S. Department of Commerce is charged with writing checks-with-many-zeros-on-them to eligible recipients, including telecommunications companies, local and state governments, and even construction companies and other businesses that might be interested.

...you left out Communication Workers of America(CWA, the union) who I believe to be the recipient of much of that largess. Payback for Nov. 4....as is much of Porkulus I .

46 posted on 02/18/2009 2:06:10 PM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: ebiskit; All

My main concern is the invariable twisting of legislative legal-eze into the means of control for whatever the Dems/FCC determine as being proper online content.

This would lead to improper favor being given to websites that ‘they’ deem as being objective and more in line with the supposed public interest.

Drudge would definitely not be ‘considered’ objective and therefore subject to onerous restrictions and possibly limited band-with.

We already see this dis-informational mindset with the ridiculous notion that the left actually considers the AP as being an objective news outlet.

And just where does the liberal MSM get the majority of it’s daily copy? The AP monopoly.

Don’t pay attention to what the law’s language is, but how it can be utilized to suit the needs of the apparatchiks in charge.

I think we are all painfully aware of how the Dems say one thing and then immediately do the exact opposite.

They forge extreme latitude in all of their legislation, by careful, corrupt design.

There will be a built-in ‘plausible-deniability’ and the idea will not be overt, as it always is with a sly, intrusive government.

The desired end result will be to make it to difficult and or to expensive to properly adhere to regulatory standards of an Orwellian fantasy of fairness.

Having to fend off a constant bureaucratic compliance threat would lead many to abandon their honest online efforts.

Mass self-censorship, I feel, is their Holy Grail.

It’s basically the same m.o. used during the initial adoption of the Fairness Doctrine; unwieldy, regulatory burden leading to willful abandonment.

Got that cooking blog ready to go?

thaDeetz


47 posted on 02/18/2009 2:18:27 PM PST by ebiskit (South Park Republican ( I see Red People ))
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To: ebiskit

OH NO...THEY’RE GOING TO TAKE OUR PORN!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!


48 posted on 02/18/2009 2:28:59 PM PST by NObama2008
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To: ebiskit; nutmeg; rmlew; Clemenza; firebrand; Reaganite1984; PARodrig; Yehuda

It took Hitler 6 months to consolidate power and rid himself of the opposition. Obama is accomplishing the same in less than 30 days.


49 posted on 02/18/2009 2:49:37 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: billakay
What companies want to do now is give preference to traffic that accesses their services, or the services of their partners, at the expense of any other traffic. This is not a good idea, and could serve to snuff out the “little guys” who use the Internet for their purposes.

I echo this point. The definition of net neutrality is very, very far from clear. It seems to mean something different to everyone who uses it.

I want the packets to be treated equally. I don't want a "fast lane" installed that only the big players can afford. That would take the small d democratic benefits out of it.

But I also want no content manipulation by the government or some ridiculous law passed that throttles sites like FR either technically or content-wise.

Is there a definition of this mess yet?

50 posted on 02/18/2009 2:49:46 PM PST by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: ebiskit

this is the opposite of the Fairness Doctrine. Net Neutrality means the internet provider CANNOT filter what goes over the net. If you want a free and open internet, YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF NET NEUTRALITY.


51 posted on 02/18/2009 2:50:01 PM PST by babble-on
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To: ebiskit

You know what...it is that attitude that is the problem!

We need to strike out first, not second, not third. We need to take their rules/laws and force them upon they who would declare them law.


52 posted on 02/18/2009 2:52:09 PM PST by EBH ( Directive 10-289)
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To: babble-on

OK


53 posted on 02/18/2009 3:06:21 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: ebiskit

I think the states trumpthe feds on internet transmission

We must push to get the following known

Fairness

There is currently under way an effort to return the Fairness Doctrine that will in effect limit free speech on the public airways. The Federal Communications Commission can reinstate the rule with no action by the US Congress or the President. The thought is that utterances on the radio must be fair and that a second view must be given equal time.

The public airways are actually a spectrum that has been divided into numerous specific frequency ranges that are corridors along which a radio wave carrying information is transmitted.. This proposed action regulating the information carried is a Federal matter since the airways are considered to be part of interstate commerce and require a Federal license. The states have no say in the matter.

The purpose of this essay is to develop a logical thought pattern that will permit the various States to gain some control of intra state transmission of information. That would be particularly true of my State, Tennessee.

Within the State of Tennessee information is transmitted and transferred by several methods but in this piece consideration will be restricted to two, printed publications and cable TV.

All printed material be it newspapers manufactured within the state borders or magazines, CD’s, DVD’s, recorded tapes or other similar publications from numerous sources are transported on the Tennessee public streets, roads and highways. These transportation corridors are in every respect similar to the spectral corridors regulated by the FCC except the roadways are regulated by the state of Tennessee. It is there fore a very logical step to conclude that based on the logic of information flow regulation by the FCC over federally regulated corridors, a similar regulatory body can be established by the State to assure that fairness is achieved in information carried or transported on the state regulated corridors and roadways. Printed publications must be fair to be transported over public ways.

In a similar vein, the state of Tennessee should be able to regulate the use of rights of way that are actually part of the same streets, roads and highways noted above. These rights of way are heavily used for various purposes including the physical presence of fiber optic and coaxial cable that are in fact information corridors similar to the FCC regulated corridors that are the public airways. The cable companies transporting on the public rights of way should be subject to the same fairness regulations governing the printed media transported on the adjacent roadways. Cable information must be fair to be transported over public rights of way.

There is no difference. Printed media and cable TV information are both transported along public ways .There is no difference between printed media transported over public roads and voice utterances transmitted over radio waves. Thoughts are transmitted over public ways.

Then there is the question of the first amendment and free speech. It can be argued that such regulation is a violation of the First Ammendment to the Constitution. That is obviously not the case or the FCC would not be able to impose the Fairness Doctrine. There is no action in the regulation preventing the free exercise of the right to say what ever the writer or publisher or news commentator desires. They can say what ever they want with no fear of any retribution by the State of Tennessee. If they desire to propagate the speech using the public ways, then they are subject to fairness regulation. The precedent for the State regulatory authority is the FCC regulated Federal authority.

If the public ways are restricted, then how can the speech material be propagated? The answer is quite simple. If the speaker wants to sell his material, he can set up a place of business where the public can come and buy what ever is for sale. The speaker can also go into an out of door site and speak whatever comes to mind to all within earshot. His rights of free speech are not restricted by regulations of the transport of the medium packets. It is the transport of those information packets on public ways that is regulated.


54 posted on 02/18/2009 3:06:42 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: Cacique

Yep, the Hitler connection.

and
Democrats blasted banks who took TARP money and used it to buy small banks instead of lending it. Now, a bank CEO has blown the whistle: the government ordered them to buy small banks!
—Nicole Garrison-Sprenger: U.S. Bancorp CEO Davis Rips TARP

Rush Translates Obama’s Orwellian Mortgage Speech:
“I’m giving you irresponsible people a pile of money. Now, be responsible. I’m giving banks, who I forced to take government money, a chance to follow my orders. I’m now going to be in charge of mortgage rates and how banks loan money, and I’m giving you responsible people who are going to pay for all this the shaft. Bend over, grab the ankles, and enjoy it.”


55 posted on 02/18/2009 3:08:48 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: ebiskit

Okay, time for my take on it.........

Why should my tax dollars pay for rural internet service? Free market, free enterprise, if it feels it is profitable enough, will provide DSL to rural areas, if not, it won’t.

This is just another goverment intervention into the marketplace.

And, of course, if the government gets involved, there will be strings attached, like everything else it gets involved with.

The question should not be whether or not this part of the bill is good or not.

The question should be, “Why is this provision necessary in the first place?”


56 posted on 02/18/2009 3:18:21 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: babble-on; All

With the left’s unceasing desire to curtail free-speech, you’ll have to pardon my extreme circumspection as it pertains to unread emergency legislation; legislation which was passed without the much heralded 5 day online b1tch period.

Especially since. . .

“recipients must operate broadband and high-speed wireless networks on an “open access basis.” The FCC, soon to be under Democratic control, is charged with deciding what that means. Congress didn’t see fit to include a definition.”

Like I said, platitudinous language which can be used as the Dems see fit.

Sure, the donkeys are just looking out for our ability to offer full-throated dissent.

Have you not been listening to Waxman’s recent comments?


57 posted on 02/18/2009 3:40:50 PM PST by ebiskit (South Park Republican ( I see Red People ))
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To: ebiskit

The theme is hand out your money to companies and then force them to change their operations to conform to socialist tactics.


58 posted on 02/18/2009 3:50:07 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Delacon
The best analogy I have heard is something like this. Suppose there was no "Net neutrality" in the phone system and you are calling Domino's to order a pizza. While the phone is ringing, you are interrupted...

"Hello. I see you are calling Domino's. Would you be interested in hearing about the specials currently available from your phone company's partner, Pizza Hut? Press (1) for yes and (2) for no"

You press (2)

"OK, thank you! Please hold for three minutes while we expedite orders for our Pizza Hut customers."

(click)

59 posted on 02/18/2009 3:57:36 PM PST by Notary Sojac
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To: billakay

I’d prefer taking my chances with the ISPs and private sector than these fascists anyday.


60 posted on 02/18/2009 4:00:25 PM PST by plain talk
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