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Shazam! Mayor Bloomberg Finally Understands Who Pays NYC Taxes (40,000 people pay 50%)
Rush Limbaugh .com ^ | 2/19/09 | The Maha

Posted on 02/19/2009 8:19:25 PM PST by Libloather

Shazam! Mayor Bloomberg Finally Understands Who Pays NYC Taxes
February 19, 2009

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RUSH: Mayor Bloomberg, state and city revenues in New York are falling because of the Wall Street collapse. State lawmakers are considering income tax increases for households earning between $250,000 and $1 million. They already pay a 6.85% income tax rate. Mayor Bloomberg, who as recently as six months ago would have supported this, had something different to say about it recently on the radio. It's sound bite number 11.

BLOOMBERG: One percent of the people that live in the city, the households that file in the city pay something like 50% of the taxes. In a city that's about 40,000 people so, you know, a handful left, any raise would make it revenue neutral. The question is, "What's fair?" If one percent are paying 50% of the taxes, you want to make it even more? A little over half the people, half the households who file tax returns don't pay any taxes. And about 30% of the households that file get a credit from the government. The government sends them a check. That's the Earned Income Tax Credit.

RUSH: Shazam! Shazam! Folks, I feel like the lid's blowing today. But did you catch this? Forty thousand people in New York City are paying 50% of the taxes. Forty thousand people, and he's worried that this state tax increase will force some of them to leave -- and if they do, it will wipe out whatever new revenue is generated by a tax increase. Amazing!

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RUSH: There is doubt. There is disagreement. There is rage. There is effervescing anger all over this country to the Obama administration plans, and you would not know about it if your only source for news was the Drive-By Media. They are still the biggest cheerleaders that I have ever seen for an administration. But ladies and gentlemen, you have to hear Mayor Bloomberg again in New York, 'cause I want to put this in perspective for you. Here he is.

BLOOMBERG: One percent of the people that live in the city, the households that file in the city pay something like 50% of the taxes. In a city that's about 40,000 people so, you know, a handful left, any raise would make it revenue neutral. The question is, "What's fair?" If one percent are paying 50% of the taxes, you want to make it even more? A little over half the people, half the households who file tax returns don't pay any taxes. And about 30% of the households that file get a credit from the government. The government sends them a check. That's the Earned Income Tax Credit.

RUSH: Now, let's put this in perspective. New York City is the financial capital of the world, right? New York City is considered the hub of the United States of America, right? How many people live in New York? I mean 14 million people go to work every day, eight million people in New York City, right? That right? Do you understand what you just heard? Forty thousand -- did he say people? He did. Forty thousand people (he means families, I'm sure, but 40,000 people) outta eight million pay half the tax load in the city. Do you realize all it would take to kill that city is half of them leaving? If 20,000 of that 40,000 paying 50% of all taxes fled and decamped, do you know what would happen to New York? It would die. These people, these 40,000 people, they ought to be treated like royalty.

They ought to be thanked. They ought to be respected. Instead, they are impugned. They are maligned. They are trashed, as often a day as Democrats can do so. They are said to be the problem. That 40,000 people is who Obama is aiming at. Those 40,000 people is who back home thinks are responsible for the blight that exists throughout the rest of the city. Those 40,000 people, they make too much money. They have too much of a good time. They have taken all that wealth from the other 50% of the city. As such, we have to target them: the stimulus package, the mortgage bailout, what Rick Santelli was talking about. Atlas Shrugged! The people who are making this country work are the targets, and the people who are the losers, the people who are the slackers, are the beneficiaries.

Forty thousand people, according to the mayor, provide over 50% of the revenue. Only now when revenue is down does anybody care about them. Only now when Wall Street has collapsed and tax revenues have gone down -- and now Obama wants to put maximums on the amount people can earn on Wall Street. I would like to know how many of the 40,000 people in New York that provide all this are in the financial business, and how of those people's caps on their pay will have a further effect on reducing tax revenues to the city. Now, the people that are doing this are not stupid. This is Bloomberg getting off the bus. This is Bloomberg getting off the Obama Air Force One. These people are not stupid. Don't think that they're just ignorant and socialist utopians who think they have better way.

They know exactly what they're doing. That's what's scary about this. That's what's enraging about this. I listened to the most amazing thing. I wish I could remember where. I was watching television. It might have been... It was. It was Shepard Smith. And I think he was talking to one of the Fox Business News infobabes or anchors, I'm not sure which, and it was about the mortgage debacle and it was about the stimulus package, and Shepard Smith kept talking about the laws of economics. (summarized) "Well, you know, if we don't this, then that has to happen, and if we don't do this, then that has to happen." I got to thinking, "The laws of economics? Whose laws of economics?" Shepard Smith was talking about the laws of economics that are real, the ones that we know.

The economics of Frederick Hayek, the economics of Milton Friedman, the economics of a free market, those are the economic rules or laws he was talking about; and it got me to thinking: Everybody knows these rules. Everybody knows the Law of Supply and Demand, for example. I mean, the people we're talking about know it. Everybody knows that when you raise taxes, you decrease the activity that occurs on that activity that you have increased taxes on. When you lower taxes on an activity, that activity increases. So, for example, if you lower income taxes, entrepreneurs are gonna bust ass earning more income. They'll pay less tax on it. If you lower capital gains taxes, people will be more incentivized to invest, because they'll be able to keep more of the profit they earn.

You might say, "Well, there aren't any profits right now." Well, there would be if we could re-incentivize people to invest again. But there's no investment in the free market. All the investment is going in the government. Now, that's "Keynesian," and it hasn't worked. The government is -- and, by the way, we're not gonna go back for the longest time until this bunch is defeated in the next election or the next two elections, if that happens at all. We're not going to go back to the free market economic rules that govern this country. What this is all about is replacing free market economics with government-centered central planning economics, picking of winners and losers. And that's exactly what's happening.

And right now the people being picked as winners are the people paying nothing, or very little of the tax bite that supports the government. The people who are being targeted as the losers are those of you who are playing by the rules, who can pay your mortgage, who did not go out and borrow more than you could afford. You're paying your taxes. You're doing what you can to support the institutions that govern where you live -- the federal government, state government, city government, and so forth. You're the targets now. We all are. We're the victims. We have to pay. We have to pay for the unfair advantage our hard work has given us. We have to pay for the unfair advantage that our perhaps birthright gave us.

We have to pay for whatever reason they in Washington decide we have more than we should have, because the fact that we have more than we should have is denying others who are just as deserving less than what they should have. In the process, the welfare state is going to expand like I crazy. Those currently in it are being subsidized to stay in it. Those not in it are gonna go broke, are going to be forced to go on unemployment. You lost half of your 401(k). I don't know what's happened to your kids' college fund, but I dare say it's probably not in great shape. You think this is an accident? You think the effort to "fix" it is this dumb on purpose? Have you seen anything come out of Washington since Obama was inaugurated that is designed to help you, that is designed to get people outta your way so that you can once again start entrepreneuring, creating, inventing, investing?

It's just the opposite, is it not? You think this is happenstance? You think this is really seriously honest people who really believe that supply-side economics....? Which, by the way, supply side, trickle down, whatever you call it? It's free market economics is all it is, Basic Economic Rules 101, basic economic law. Basic economic law has been suspended and the people who practice it are practically under arrest. They're in the process of being charged for their own version of immorality. Make no mistake: 40,000 people in New York pay over half the taxes -- and Bloomberg knows that a tax increase on those people is going to cause some of them to leave, and they're just going to get outraged and split. They ought to be treated like royalty.

They should be thanked; they should be respected. Normally if you run a business, you cater to your good customers. You want to keep them, and you want them to be happy and you want them to be happy paying you. The government of Barack Obama doesn't even like you. The government of Barack Obama wants even more from you and they want you to be thankful to them that you're paying it on the basis that you are helping Obama fix the economy. They want all accolades, all credit, all bowing down and kissing the feet to occur in Washington, at the feet of Barack Obama. He doesn't even let members of Congress who wrote the stimulus Porkulus package surround him at the signing ceremony.

It's all him. He did it by himself. He wants everybody to think that he's the single, foremost driving force and authority that made it all happen. That's what he's cultivated, and he's a pied piper. He's got these peoples following him around like he's Svengali, but this news out of New York. It's not news to people like me; it's not news to people like you. My website for four years has published federal data, what percentage of income taxpayers pay what percentage of the total boat; and it's similar to what it is in New York. It's hard to leave the country, but you can leave a city and relocate. It's happening in California. People are pulling out of there left and right, for a host of reasons, among them high taxes. If just 10,000 people left New York, if just 10,000 of these 50% left New York City, I shudder to think what would happen to the place.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
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Forty thousand people in New York City are paying 50% of the taxes.

And about 30% of the households that file get a credit from the government. The government sends them a check. That's the Earned Income Tax Credit.

That sounds fair...

1 posted on 02/19/2009 8:19:25 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Atlas could Shrug.


2 posted on 02/19/2009 8:23:13 PM PST by Cyber Ninja (His legacy is a stain OnTheDress)
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To: Libloather

And if the income starts getting “capped” at $500,000, these fountains of urban wealth dry up.

Toot sweet.


3 posted on 02/19/2009 8:26:37 PM PST by alloysteel (The term "Islam" does not mean "peace", it means "gaining serenity through surrender".)
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To: OnTheDress

How long before liberals publish a hit list on these high income earners they way they did on Prop 8 supporters?


4 posted on 02/19/2009 8:27:12 PM PST by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: alloysteel

Well that would certainly be in line with the law of unintended consequences, and we all know that liberals really have a problem with critical thinking.


5 posted on 02/19/2009 8:29:50 PM PST by WHBates
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To: tbw2

When it comes to wealth, liberals are truly stupid. They do not realize that it is entirely possible to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.


6 posted on 02/19/2009 8:29:58 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Margret Thatcher)
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To: Libloather

bookmark


7 posted on 02/19/2009 8:30:08 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: OnTheDress

Oh yes it could. And it just well may. If 10k achievers leave NY for, say, Texas. Whooo whee.


8 posted on 02/19/2009 8:31:10 PM PST by farlander (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: farlander

Yeah, but if they’re liberals we don’t want them or their money.

They can go to... oh.... Montana.


9 posted on 02/19/2009 8:36:13 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

No, let them go to Wash DC and “diversify”


10 posted on 02/19/2009 8:38:38 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Libloather
The withdraw that breaks the council's bank.

11 posted on 02/19/2009 8:41:34 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Montana needs more people to be able to requalify as a state after the impending dissolution of the union and Reunification.


12 posted on 02/19/2009 8:41:55 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Libloather

I can’t believe that Bloomberg igured this out...But now he’ll just ask for a bigger piece of the Stimulus Pie!!


13 posted on 02/19/2009 8:49:58 PM PST by FlashBack ('0'bama: "Katrina on a Global Level")
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To: Libloather

..............I’m sure, but 40,000 people) outta eight million pay half the tax load in the city...............

So, 40,000 “family” taxpayers, out of about 4 million households support 50% of NYC tax revenues. Amazing! That’s even more skewed than the national statistics!

1% pays 50% of the tab, and Zer0 placed a salary cap of $500k on the bankers. NY is so screwed.

But, we’ll bail out the city, we’re going to take care of every other loser!


14 posted on 02/19/2009 8:50:46 PM PST by aShepard (Maybe 12/6 is the time to launch a constitutional amendment that lays out POTUS requirements!)
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To: aShepard
But, we’ll bail out the city, we’re going to take care of every other loser!

That's what its all about, people who actually pay taxes supporting those who don't. There are now more of them than there are of us.

It hits me hard this time of year when I file my tax returns, I see all that money I'm paying in and think of the countless people who are getting their "refunds", who haven't paid in a damn'd dime. It's a bitter pill to swallow.

15 posted on 02/19/2009 9:26:19 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Selah)
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To: aShepard

After hearing that, I’m almost thinking if New York got hit, it wouldn’t be all bad...in a twisted way of course.


16 posted on 02/19/2009 9:29:20 PM PST by Senormechanico
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To: Libloather

They won’t have a choice soon. They will be forced to leave New York just to survive.


17 posted on 02/19/2009 9:46:42 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Libloather

BTTT


18 posted on 02/19/2009 9:51:54 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: Libloather

Sounds like these 40000 people need to get organized - then they could pretty much call the shots...


19 posted on 02/19/2009 10:20:52 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Libloather

How many of the 40,000 invested with Madoff?


20 posted on 02/19/2009 10:23:13 PM PST by proudpapa (Obama - The Worst One Ever!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Libs are perfectly happy to sit atop a ruined country. Witness Cuba, the USSR, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, North Korea, Argentina, and Haiti; and those transitioning to such a state - South Africa, Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay, Venezuela. Look how hard it is to recover to a normal economy, with the struggles of Russia, Poland, the Baltic states, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Albania, the Balkans, the Ukraine... all of Eastern Europe. I’d be willing to bet China is bankrupt except they can fend off inquiries indefinitely.

Islam is the religion of Satan, and marxism is the politics of satan. President Bush toppled Saddam, the communist Muslim tyrant, so the left hates him.


21 posted on 02/19/2009 10:37:01 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Spktyr

I don’t think so...


22 posted on 02/19/2009 11:06:26 PM PST by montomike (Politics should be about service and not a lucrative, money-making opportunity!)
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To: freekitty

How bout New Jersey, 9% top end. I own a business here and I am dying to leave. My wife and I are battling it out. I can’t stand paying the pensions of slacker state workers. 25 years with the state and they are handed essentially 2,000,000 in pension benefits for life. I know a retired Fed and state worker collecting nearly $115,000 in 2 pensions and SS for life!
He was a lousy worker and should have been fired.

Get ready they will pass a law limiting your movement from one state to another! New Yorkers are already commuting from PA at 3% income tax.


23 posted on 02/20/2009 12:04:28 AM PST by Blacksheep (Will the last business owner to leave New Jersey turn out the light!)
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To: Blacksheep

“Get ready they will pass a law limiting your movement from one state to another!”


I definitely agree that this is going to happen, and that it won’t be very long.

All socialist governments must control the movement of people, even if the laws are national and uniform from region to region.

The Chinese, even today, have the “hukou” system, and you must have everything registered and licensed in the place where you were origianlly assigned. To change your “hukou” to another city or province is purposely a very difficult, time-consuming, and expensive, and discouraging procedure.

Such is going to be established in the USA before long.


24 posted on 02/20/2009 12:17:52 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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25 posted on 02/20/2009 4:07:38 AM PST by Cindy
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To: bamahead

possible ping


26 posted on 02/20/2009 5:18:06 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: traviskicks; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
Forty thousand people in New York City are paying 50% of the taxes ... and he's worried that this state tax increase will force some of them to leave -- and if they do, it will wipe out whatever new revenue is generated by a tax increase. Amazing!



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27 posted on 02/20/2009 5:29:23 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Libloather
["RUSH: Forty thousand people in New York City are paying 50% of the taxes. Forty thousand people, and he's worried that this state tax increase will force some of them to leave --"]

They should leave. ALL of them should leave. Let the totalitarians have NOTHING! I'd encourage every taxpayer in the country to move to California. Let's take this great state from the totalitarians and make it a capitalist Utopia.

28 posted on 02/20/2009 8:08:27 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The inmates are now officially running the asylum.)
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To: Libloather
["RUSH: Forty thousand people in New York City are paying 50% of the taxes. Forty thousand people, and he's worried that this state tax increase will force some of them to leave --"]

They should leave. ALL of them should leave. Let the totalitarians have NOTHING! I'd encourage every taxpayer in the country to move to California. Let's take this great state from the death grip of the totalitarians and make it a capitalist Utopia.

29 posted on 02/20/2009 8:09:07 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The inmates are now officially running the asylum.)
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To: Blacksheep

You refer to no less than a central plank of the Communist Manifesto: See #4 below. For emigres leaving the country, it was checked-off last Summer with the Orwellian-named “Heroes Earnings Assistance and Relief Tax Act of 2008” which imposes heavily confiscatory taxes. It’s a small leap from there to doing the same thing for folks exiting a state or locality rather than the country. Then there’s the progressive income tax, which is what Bloomberg is talking about. Contrary to DemocRat catechism grew more heavily progressive under Bush (e.g., the top 5% of earners in 2006 paid 60.14% of Federal income taxes, up from 57.13% in 2004, cf. http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6). Just go down the list, you’ll see:

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html

Karl Marx and Frederick Engels
Manifesto of the Communist Party
1848

“...We have seen above that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy.

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state, i.e., of the proletariat organized as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible....

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.”


30 posted on 02/20/2009 8:11:19 AM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (1st call: Abbas. 1st interview: Al Arabiya. 1st energy decision: halt drilling in UT. Arabs 1st!)
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To: Libloather

Bloomberg is afraid of a brain drain.

Does anyone really NEEEEED to be in NYC in this day and age?

Only the dinosaur media is rerouted through NYC, every other financial or information business is better suited OUTSIDE of NYC and NY state. (and way way far away from California and Michigan)

Just ask an entrepenuer, if you had it to do from scratch in 2009 would you start in NYC? answer: NO WAY!

BTW all those out of work brokers can buy nice forclosed homes dirt cheep.


31 posted on 02/20/2009 8:22:21 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: OnTheDress
Atlas could Shrug.

Yes. And then file for barackruptcy.

32 posted on 02/20/2009 8:43:10 AM PST by Graymatter (Don't enable destroyers. File for chapter 44 -- barackruptcy.)
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To: Graymatter

Digg it up!

http://digg.com/political_opinion/Forty_thousand_people_in_NYC_are_paying_50_of_the_taxes


33 posted on 02/20/2009 10:35:39 AM PST by villagerjoel ("Gun control is a prerequisite for genocide." - Unknown)
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To: Libloather

Bump to myself.


34 posted on 02/20/2009 10:49:58 AM PST by happygrl (BORG: Barack 0bama Resistance Group: we will not be assimilated)
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To: Libloather

Folks!

What Rush DIDN’T say, but what I’ll bet he’s thinking, is that BO is NOT stupid, this is EXACTLY what he wants!

Once BO tips the balance of producers to takers, we will be in even deeper doodoo. THAT is what he wants! Why?

He can step in with the Gov and ram more of his commie crap down our throats. He WANTS us in the toilet, he WANTS us on our knees!


35 posted on 02/20/2009 3:16:54 PM PST by FrogMom (Lord, help us all!)
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What Rush DIDN’T say, but what I’ll bet he’s thinking, is that BO is NOT stupid, this is EXACTLY what he wants!

Rush covered plenty of this today. You didn't hear it? Check out his website.

36 posted on 02/20/2009 3:46:29 PM PST by Libloather (February is Liberal, Leftist, Marxist Awareness Month.)
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To: Libloather

Wasn’t able to listen today.


37 posted on 02/20/2009 3:50:28 PM PST by FrogMom (Lord, help us all!)
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To: FrogMom
Wasn’t able to listen today.

You're slippin'! Check out the transcripts! Another five star show! Be sure to read 'Americans are Keeping Score'.

The Maha

38 posted on 02/20/2009 4:02:47 PM PST by Libloather (February is Liberal, Leftist, Marxist Awareness Month.)
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To: Libloather

*sigh*!

I hear ya, was at work though, and distracted today.


39 posted on 02/20/2009 4:15:36 PM PST by FrogMom (Lord, help us all!)
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