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FReeper Book Club: Atlas Shrugged, The Non-Commercial
A Publius Essay | 21 February 2009 | Publius

Posted on 02/21/2009 8:12:02 AM PST by Publius

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To: Publius
Eubank wants a government subsidy for the arts. Less than a decade after the book was published, Lyndon Johnson signed a law creating the National Endowment for the Arts, National Public Radio and the Public Broadcasting System. Have American art, radio and television improved since then? Has government involvement had a positive or negative effect? Why?

Unfortunately for the artist, the ultimate patron of the arts is time. In the past, artists had to win patrons. There were some people who knew good stuff when they saw it and others who simply had money and no taste. Now I sit here listening to Mozart, next to a poster of my favorite Van Gogh painting because time kept their work alive. There were probably plenty of not-so-good artists who were popular in eras past, but not good enough to the long haul.

Government sponsorship of art has damaged good art because government has an agenda and everything must be filtered through it. 100 years from now, I can't imagine that anyone will spend a chilly afternoon listening to a symphony inspired by AIDS sufferers next to a poster of the piss Christ. But I bet ol' Mozart and VVG will still be around.

The product of industry has a much shorter path to success than art. A great product can make a near immediate impact on the world. And the government can screw that up just as quickly.

In this chapter, we end up just as baffled over Lillian as Hank was - what does she want? What is she after? I agree that she really does seem to hate her husband. Yet all these people at the party are mostly her friends and she is receiving attention and admiration from her most trendy group of guests.

61 posted on 02/22/2009 2:19:35 PM PST by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: Publius
I have to admit this chapter was one of my least favorites..

I avoid people like the “party guests” like the plague.

I have to work with a few of them and have a few in my family.

I cannot hold my tongue do I do my level best to avoid hearing their conversation or engaging them.

If I hear someone spilling a load of BS I call it. I also don't have a problem saying “That's a lie’, or “you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about”.

I'd probably be shunned if I cared enough to notice. I'm not exactly anti social but my social skills don't allow me to slide in b/s without commenting on it.

I suffered with Reardon as he went through this. I'd have been throwing people out of my house.

62 posted on 02/22/2009 3:27:17 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

You sound a bit like Dagny. She was quite cheerful when she volunteered to slap Bertram Scudder.


63 posted on 02/22/2009 3:30:56 PM PST by Publius (The Quadri-Metallic Standard: Gold and silver for commerce; lead and brass for protection.)
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To: Publius

I’m about 10 inches too short.


64 posted on 02/22/2009 4:21:24 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: TASMANIANRED
Judging by the way our country is headed, I think you and everyone of a like mind should call it like it is. Sure, you will p*** off a lot of people (I know I have), but you might be surprised at how many agree with you. Political Correctness is dead as far as I'm concerned.

I suffered with Reardon as he went through this. I'd have been throwing people out of my house.

If this group met at Rearden's Mill, I have no doubt that would have occurred. The house appears to be Lillian's. Rearden seem to want to keep his marriage intact but Lillian has done everything she could to make the evening uncomfortable.

65 posted on 02/22/2009 4:22:17 PM PST by whodathunkit (Shrugging as I leave for the Gulch)
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To: whodathunkit
The house may be Lillians domicile and her roost to rule but it is Hanks house. He is footing the bills for Lillian and his family of parasites.

I can understand wanting to keep the peace in his marriage.

Hank is all confused emotionally. He has allowed himself to be brainwashed.

He is a willing host to a bunch of leeches.

Leeches can't suck you dry unless you let them.

One of the leftist phrases that I actually approve of is “speaking truth” to power but I call it “speaking truth is power”.

66 posted on 02/22/2009 4:42:43 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: TASMANIANRED
Leeches can't suck you dry unless you let them.

This would have been an excellent working title for Atlas Shrugged!

67 posted on 02/22/2009 4:50:14 PM PST by whodathunkit (Shrugging as I leave for the Gulch)
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To: whodathunkit

Thanks.


68 posted on 02/22/2009 5:02:17 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: TASMANIANRED
"...Leeches can't suck you dry unless you let them..."

Exquisite and to the point. May I honor your statement by using it as my tagline for a while?

69 posted on 02/22/2009 7:50:54 PM PST by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: rlmorel

Sure.


70 posted on 02/22/2009 8:24:02 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: Publius

can you add me as well to this list?

Jenny


71 posted on 02/23/2009 9:56:41 AM PST by Jenny Hatch (Mormon Mommy Blogger)
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To: Publius

Please add me also. I ordered my book from Amazon last week.


72 posted on 02/23/2009 3:43:16 PM PST by mckenzie7 ( mohammed = 666)
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To: Mmogamer

Ping to Post #2 that has all the links.


73 posted on 02/23/2009 5:15:46 PM PST by Publius (The Quadri-Metallic Standard: Gold and silver for commerce; lead and brass for protection.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

I did a search on google for Ayn Rand a few weeks ago and there was one picture I remember seeing of her face when she was a young woman and I thought she was quite beautiful in it. Some women don’t age well and she didn’t fair very well in that regard.


74 posted on 02/23/2009 8:10:00 PM PST by Flamenco Lady
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To: Publius

I had jury duty today, so I dragged out my ancient paperback copy of Atlas Shrugged. I’m pretty much caught up with the group now.

Believe it or not, I have this copy because in 1980, I took an Econ 101 class at the University of Hawaii at Hilo, and AS was assigned by the professor. His class was my introduction to free market economics.

Boy, is that type small, though! I didn’t care when I was 19, but now at 47, I practically need a jeweler’s loupe to read it.

Please add me to the ping. Thanks!


75 posted on 02/26/2009 4:10:07 PM PST by Tony in Hawaii (NUTS!)
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To: Publius
It's really amazing that Ms Rand could have been so prophetic. I read the book about 7 years ago and found its premise to be right on with the facts at that time, except that then the situations in the book were an exaggeration of the social and political climate. Now that I've been re-reading it, I never realized that we could have sunk so low that they're no longer exaggerated, but a quite accurate replication of reality today. And, the troubling thing is that it's quite likely to get worse before it gets better.

It's now time to increase the priority of bringing Atlas Shrugged to the big screen. In listening to Rush Limbaugh's diatribes, I think he is perfect to play the John Galt character.

I'd like to see a series of political cartoons illustrating how private businesses and entrepeneurs represent the engine of the economy (such as a train engine), with the engine pulling a few passenger cars partially filled with passengers as in a few years ago, and the times today showing thousands of individuals jumping onto the train and the engine bogging down because it can't support the load. Another, where it's a ferry boat, and thousands of individuals jumping onto the boat at the dock, causing it to sink.

That's what's really happening. In my opinion, those who don't acknowledge it are either really ignorant or they must have an agenda to actually make it happen.

Here's what Nikita Khrushchev said: I once said, "We will bury you," and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you.

We're well on the way to fulfilling Khrushchev's prophecy.

76 posted on 02/28/2009 7:42:21 AM PST by Real Cynic No More (The only thing standing between us and complete victory over the evildoers is POLITICS!)
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So, why does Hank completely give Dagny the cold shoulder after the bracelet exchange? Does he realize that he is in love with her and must hide it at all costs? Or has he admitted it to himself?

Rearden considers himself to be guilt-ridden because of his commitment to Lillian, so it is a self-imposed torture that he is playing out. He is definitely in love with Dagny, but he has exiled himself because he continues to assume his place of guilt under the looters' standards.

77 posted on 02/28/2009 8:35:38 PM PST by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Publius
Please to ping. Read it years ago, loved it, still love it but find it overwrought at times.

Uneasy how she seems to be Obama's scriptwriter. It's like when he looks into the teleprompter he channels Wesley Mouch.

And even Rand couldn't come up with a Pelosi!

Her athiesm was very kneejerk...if she could have understood faith on some level, she would have been a better writer. You couldn't do a good satire of a Pelosi without some rudimentary Christianity to see what a true monster Pelosi is...

78 posted on 03/02/2009 2:15:38 PM PST by Mamzelle (Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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To: r-q-tek86
Part I, Chapter VII: The Exploiters and the Exploited
79 posted on 08/14/2009 6:14:01 PM PDT by r-q-tek86 ("A building has integrity just like a man. And just as seldom." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Publius

ping


80 posted on 01/30/2021 10:42:01 AM PST by betsyross60 ( Praying for Rush )
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