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To: ColdWater

You said — “presumed innocent” ONLY in the court of law.

Actually no, they are presumed innocent *not* just “in the court” as a matter of some “legal wording” valid only for when a person sits in that courtroom and just in front of the jury — but — they are presumed innocent *period* — at any time prior to an *actual conviction* by a court. You see, it’s the *conviction* that *legally* (in all phases of one’s life, inside and outside of the court-room) ascertains that “fact”.

Prior to that time — you are *just as you were* as a normal person (of course, people do have to deal with bail, but that’s for purposes of making sure you appear at trial rather than any determination of guilt).

And then you said — “Why do you not know that?”

Well, it’s very simple — when you said — “If society really had to follow the ‘presumption of innocence’ we would never arrest anyone!” — it became clear that you didn’t understand how it worked...


54 posted on 02/21/2009 8:33:50 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler
Actually no, they are presumed innocent *not* just “in the court” as a matter of some “legal wording” valid only for when a person sits in that courtroom and just in front of the jury — but — they are presumed innocent *period*

Please. The phrase 'presummed innocent .....' has a very specific legal meaning valid only in the courtroom. I have every right to presume someone guilty before their arrest, before their trial and after their trial. For example, I do not presume that O.J. is innocent of murdering his wife.

56 posted on 02/21/2009 8:38:49 PM PST by ColdWater
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