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Recent Human Variation Is Not Evolution (evidence points to recent creation)
ICR ^ | February 23, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 02/23/2009 10:05:02 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: Buck W.
You don’t believe that both direction and chance are under God’s control?

Chance is random. It cannot be under 'control'. This is an elementary concept. Please tell me you do not truly believe what you wrote?

61 posted on 02/23/2009 10:59:42 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: js1138
All of them, from weather girls to colonic irrigators, have mental capacities far beyond that of mere mortals.

I think you have hit upon a key point. They don't believe that they are mere mortals having been blessed with a unique relationship with God that is beyond what we can understand.

62 posted on 02/23/2009 11:00:05 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts
4. Geneticists have no empirical data to anchor biological dates, so they must trust the paleontologists. Often, paleontologists derive their dates from examining the particular rock layers wherein human and ape remains have been discovered. Thus, their dates are often supplied by geologists. Perhaps geologists obtained them from radioisotope dating of some form. Thus, they trust the geochronologists, who in turn rely on dates from geologic column charts. Without this standardized reference, the geochronologist would have little basis for choosing which of the wide range of obtainable dates to accept, and which to reject. This circus of trust functions, not because there is empirical evidence for deep time, but because those in various disciplines universally conform their results to the standard dates, all of them being convinced a priori that deep time is true.

On what basis does the author submit that none of the data from uranium decay or astrophyscial observations constitutite empirical evidence for deep time?

63 posted on 02/23/2009 11:01:11 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: rjsimmon
Chance is random. It cannot be under 'control'. This is an elementary concept.

But God gave us free will. He took a chance on mankind. He was frequently frustrated with our free will and his lack of control so had to resort to drastic measures like kicking man out of the garden of Eden and wiping them off the face of the earth a few times, destroying cities and civilizations and such. Our earth is full of chance. Like when a tornado or fire kills a bunch of innocent children.

64 posted on 02/23/2009 11:02:58 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon
God does nothing through chance.

God put Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden taking the chance that they would not eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge. The rest is history.

65 posted on 02/23/2009 11:05:19 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon

Are you asserting that God does not foresee the outcome of chance events and hence control them by allowing them to happen?


66 posted on 02/23/2009 11:05:22 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: rjsimmon
God does nothing through chance.

Are you of the school that believes God creates and guides hurricanes to specific places as punishment?

67 posted on 02/23/2009 11:05:38 AM PST by atlaw
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To: atlaw; rjsimmon
Are you of the school that believes God creates and guides hurricanes to specific places as punishment?

Seems resonable. God has a history of punishing man by 'natural events'.

68 posted on 02/23/2009 11:07:25 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon
God did not create man through evolution.

Pretty presumptious of you to declare what God did or did not do.

69 posted on 02/23/2009 11:08:52 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
But God gave us free will.

Indeed He did, full well knowing the outcome. From our perspective, it is chance. God knew the result.

He took a chance on mankind. He was frequently frustrated with our free will and his lack of control so had to resort to drastic measures like kicking man out of the garden of Eden and wiping them off the face of the earth a few times, destroying cities and civilizations and such.

Still, He knew this would happen. After Adam sinned, He set the plan of redemption in motion.

Our earth is full of chance. Like when a tornado or fire kills a bunch of innocent children.

Do not think of this as chance from God's perspective. If you build your house in the shadow of a volcano, do not complain when lava overtakes it. Do not hold God accountable for our use (or misuse) of free will.

70 posted on 02/23/2009 11:10:46 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: ColdWater
Pretty presumptious of you to declare what God did or did not do.

I only repeat what God has declared. I can do nothing else.

71 posted on 02/23/2009 11:11:53 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: GodGunsGuts
You mean to tell me that humans aren't "evolved" from monkey's? Amazing...

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72 posted on 02/23/2009 11:14:57 AM PST by vox_freedom ("If God be for us, who is against us?" -- Romans 8:31)
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To: atlaw
Are you of the school that believes God creates and guides hurricanes to specific places as punishment?

Not entirely, unless prophetic warning and a chance for repentance has been given. Ninevah escaped destruction because of Jonah, as a tool of God's love, preaching repentance. Sodom and Gomorrah were given the opportunity to repent and did not.

73 posted on 02/23/2009 11:15:42 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: ColdWater
Seems resonable. God has a history of punishing man by 'natural events'.

Which leads to one of the great mysteries of Intelligent Meteorology -- What does God have against mobile homes?

74 posted on 02/23/2009 11:16:30 AM PST by atlaw
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To: rjsimmon
Indeed He did, full well knowing the outcome.

Why didn't God just make man good and without any programming errors he had to eliminate every few generations by destroying most of living man on earth?

75 posted on 02/23/2009 11:17:30 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon
Not entirely, unless prophetic warning and a chance for repentance has been given.

If they are not entirely an act of punishment, then either the tornados are sent as a reward or they are an act of chance. Which?

76 posted on 02/23/2009 11:19:20 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: Joe 6-pack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Hnp7HQ0Gk


77 posted on 02/23/2009 11:21:44 AM PST by Don W (People who think are a threat to socialism)
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To: Buck W.
You still seem to be struggling with this. Allow me to help:

Main Entry: 1chance
1 a: something that happens unpredictably without discernible human intention or observable cause b: the assumed impersonal purposeless determiner of unaccountable happenings : luck c: the fortuitous or incalculable element in existence : contingency
2: a situation favoring some purpose : opportunity (needed a chance to relax)
3: a fielding opportunity in baseball
4 a: the possibility of a particular outcome in an uncertain situation ; also : the degree of likelihood of such an outcome (a small chance of success) b plural : the more likely indications (chances are he's already gone)
5 a: risk (not taking any chances) b: a raffle ticket

Notice how there is nothing indicating direction or planning?

78 posted on 02/23/2009 11:22:44 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Despite the widespread belief that “we emerged from chimpanzees 6 million years ago,”

You know that the author is bonkers when he leads off with statements like this!


79 posted on 02/23/2009 11:23:09 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: atlaw
What does God have against mobile homes?

Aren't trailer park dwellers mostly YEC'rs?

80 posted on 02/23/2009 11:24:08 AM PST by ColdWater
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