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Darwin reader: Darwin’s racism
UD ^ | February 14, 2009 | Denyse O'Leary

Posted on 02/24/2009 7:04:56 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Slavery based on race alone was an early modern legal invention, aimed against blacks.

When you get down to brass tacks, slavery is the result of which can best perform -- albeit involuntarily -- the labor that is required. And most of that required work is plain old pick-and-shovel labor.

A quick example: In the early years,the Spaniards, in the new world (South America) discovered silver, and, to a less extent cane sugar. They did not want to work these themselves. The aborigines were to a point fair-to-poor slaves, generally lacking the stamina needed/demanded by the Spaniards. Hence the importation of negros, who were far more able to carry out the work required.

IOW, blacks became slaves -- the preferred slave stock --in the New World simply b/c they filled the need. It wasn't any "racist invention".

41 posted on 02/24/2009 8:18:55 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
A "minor"?

Wow!

I should roll over and show you my throat ~ but I won't ~ it's obvious you're not well-read enough to discuss this issue.

BTW, I'm not exactly a "fundie" anyway, so I read the Bible critically and with an eye to what a broad spectrum of opinion has had to say about different parts of it.

If you have a doctrinal difference, stick with it, but don't resort to attacks on my credentials ~ which are voluminous.

42 posted on 02/24/2009 8:20:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
A "minor"?

Wow!

I should roll over and show you my throat ~ but I won't ~ it's obvious you're not well-read enough to discuss this issue.

BTW, I'm not exactly a "fundie" anyway, so I read the Bible critically and with an eye to what a broad spectrum of opinion has had to say about different parts of it.

If you have a doctrinal difference, stick with it, but don't resort to attacks on my credentials ~ which are voluminous.

43 posted on 02/24/2009 8:20:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

“a minor in history”

Interesting. A minor in history at most colleges just means that you took three or four extra courses. What kind of history I wonder? Was it ancient history?


44 posted on 02/24/2009 8:21:47 PM PST by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Sweetie, I have a minor in history.

Ah, so we should respect your authority...but not the authority of written accounts by eye witnesses...got it.

45 posted on 02/24/2009 8:22:32 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: conservative cat
Hitler was a fan of Darwin....

Lists of Banned Books, 1932-1939

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Guidelines from Die Bücherei 2:6 (1935), p. 279

6. Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel).

http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/burnedbooks/documents.htm

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Der Fuhrer sez:

"The advantages of a personal and political nature that might arise from compromising with atheistic organizations would not outweigh the consequences which would become apparent in the destruction of general moral basic values. The national Government regards the two Christian confessions as the weightiest factors for the maintenance of our nationality."

-A. Hitler, Speech to the Reichstag, March 23, 1933

http://www.hitler.org/speeches/03-23-33.html

46 posted on 02/24/2009 8:24:07 PM PST by Ken H
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To: GodGunsGuts
Wow. Almost like he thought of some races as a kind of "missing link":

“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.”

47 posted on 02/24/2009 8:30:12 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: GodGunsGuts
Yes he did sound like he was a eugenics supporter:

...but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed...

"Allow"?

The funny thing about naturalists, is that on one hand they think they know best how to make things right...and on the other hand, they reject the concept of right and wrong...I suppose whichever is convenient to their ego at the time (I speak from experience, I used to be trapped in that shallow, foolish, and disproved philosophy).

48 posted on 02/24/2009 8:44:21 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: Ken H

I’m no expert on history, but what I can tell from the time lines and common sense, what Hitler was saying in 1935 may have been a bit on the “political correct” side of the infamous man we now know him for.


49 posted on 02/24/2009 8:57:31 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: GodGunsGuts

He did do quite a few controlled experiments, such as the little known study of earthworms, seeds in salt water, the weed patch experiment just to name a few that I remember off the top of my head. Yes, he wasn’t the first to come up with natural selection and he did quite a few thought experiments to come up with “The Origin of Species”. Nevertheless, much of his work was verified in the 20th century by controlled experiments. See my first post for an example of a contemporary experiment regarding the famous Finch.


50 posted on 02/24/2009 8:59:41 PM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


51 posted on 02/24/2009 9:22:45 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: muawiyah

The Gibeonites were slave not the holders of any monopoly.

“Now therefore ye [are] cursed, and there shall none of you be freed from being bondmen, and hewers of wood and drawers of water for the house of my God.” (Jos. 9:23)

This was punishment for their deception.

And their water drawing and wood cutting was not just for the temple as vs. 27 says,

“And Joshua made them that day hewers of wood and drawers of water for the congregation, and for the altar of the LORD, even unto this day, in the place which he should choose.”

So it was either do the work or get the chop.


52 posted on 02/24/2009 10:23:54 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: yankeedame

Actually, Blacks themselves didn’t make for good slaves, but rather, Western Africans made for great slaves. Western Africans tend to be stockier, larger, and stronger than Eastern Africans, much like how Germans tend to be larger than Frenchman but are both still white. Case in point, Barry’s daddy’s VERY slim and slight, but Hakeem Olajuwon is huge.


53 posted on 02/24/2009 10:38:58 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: AndyTheBear

Yes, now do you see the misguided outcry from Al Sharpton about the infamous chimp picture?

And if there’s any such thing as a missing link, it would be 537 statespeople that are in Washington, DC.


54 posted on 02/24/2009 10:41:43 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: TypeZoNegative
“Case in point, Barry’s daddy’s VERY slim and slight,” [excerpt]
He is? (WoWzers!)

And all this time I thought that Zero just oozed up out of some communist Kenyan mud puddle! (Oops, my bad)

I guess I learn something new every day...
55 posted on 02/24/2009 11:14:00 PM PST by Fichori (If YOU Evolved, YOUR Unalienable Rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness are VOID)
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To: All
Did the Catholic church or any Protestant sects speak out against New World slavery during the 16th or 17th centuries?
56 posted on 02/24/2009 11:27:35 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Gordon Greene; GodGunsGuts

Glad to see others are getting it. The way the question is often phrased is ‘should religion be put on an equal footing with evolution in public schools?’ and my reply is, only if the religion you choose is the RIGHT one; i.e. to have an apples to apples comparison you’d a religion which operated on an intellectual basis similar to that of evoloserism and the only candidates would be Rastafari, Santeria, and Voodoo.


57 posted on 02/25/2009 12:06:55 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: Ken H

Christians basically put a stop to moderrn slavery by having the British navy shut down the West African slave markets in the early 1800s. Except in slammite countries that is; that’s a sort of another world. In other words, you can read about slavery in the Christian world easily enough but youhave to open a history book to do it. You can read about slavery in the slammite world by opening any slammite newspaper to the classified ads under ‘S’ and, for that matter, under ‘w’ as well since women are basically slaves in the slammite world.


58 posted on 02/25/2009 12:39:20 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
Christians basically put a stop to moderrn slavery by having the British navy shut down the West African slave markets in the early 1800s.

Didn't the British navy also protect the slave trade for 200 years prior to that?

59 posted on 02/25/2009 3:34:09 AM PST by Ken H
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To: GodGunsGuts

The Evo-atheists can’t stand the FACT that their big hero was a nobody who was an academic failure. He was a pathetic dabbler in a sea of professionals. He was simply out of his league. He was pontificating on botany and geology and natural history, but was studying theology, which he couldn’t even get right. The man with no scientific training whatsoever is the “scientist” we are supposed to worship? Sounds more like L Ron Hubbard than Isaac Newton. lol


60 posted on 02/25/2009 4:11:02 AM PST by ToGodBeTheGlory ("Darwinism" is Satanism.)
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