Posted on 03/01/2009 12:21:37 PM PST by greatdefender
I didn't come to the thread for an all day seminar on the moral reasosn for not committing suicide. I challenged one person to see if they knew what they were talking about and I was attacked by that person and three others.
Until people stop being so defensive and stop refusing to have a civil dialogue, their positions will be inferred by others.
And when someone here says "This is a pro-life site." It just means they have to rely on more force since they can't defend their own position.
Last word to you. I have no desire to serve as a pin cushion for some of the other people here. I would as soon kill myself.
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I notice you refused to answer my question.
Are you advocating suicide for the mentally ill as well as the terminally ill?
I don't believe it's illegal to commit suicide in any state of the United States. When it was, it was virtually never prosecuted.
Its always hard to tell how posts are being interpreted.
My previous post was to point out the inherent hypocracy of this bill. I am 99% of the time cynical when I post, but I suppose hypocracy isnt always easily inferred when reading text.
My point was to show how hypocritical it is of legislators to discount certain definitions as meaningful ie...gay “marriage”; yet they went out of their way to make sure that this bill does not define ‘the act’ as “suicide”, “euthanasia” etc. The docs, now by law, must ONLY REFER TO THIS AS REQUESTING / ADMINISTERING LIFE ENDING MEDICINES. Thats it. Nothing more. We cant call it euthanasia. We cant call it mercy killing. We cant call it what it is because it is now by law only called “requesting or administering life ending medicines”.
It makes me vomit. They are telling me how to define a request or even an act of apatient. The death certificate cannot include the final act of taking the pills. ie, by law we are required to commit fraud on the legal death certificate. Im infuriated.
So forgive me if I wasnt clear in my opposition in my first post. I find this bill utterly reprehensible, morally corrupt, and a full assault on the patient-doctor relationship as well as the governments role in how we die.
Whenever I have a patient that is diagnosed with a terminal illness, I ask them what are your biggest concerns, whats your biggest worries right now.
Almost every patient’s answer is “I dont want to be a burden to my family”. So tell me how many patients are going to kill themselves under the guise of ‘dignity’ really as a result of fear of perceived burden?
This law is dangerous, hideous, filthy and a clear reflection of the liberal mind.
The doctors actually have to lie on the death certificate.
But if we scratch the surface, the whole scenario starts to get very messy. First,the new Washington law prohibits doctors from documenting their patient’s real cause of death if it is from doctor-prescribed drugs — even when they are certain the patient has taken them. Instead, doctors must certify the cause of death as the patient’s original illness. Yes, in Washington, what rational people would consider malpractice–lying about the cause of death–is now required by law.
Exactly! I get grief for it even among self-proclaimed conservatives, but I call it what it is. It is euthanasia and it is murder. The culture of death has a long history of manipulating words to mask their agenda and this no different from calling infanticide a "choice".
They want a new governor?
Leftist freepers’ dogma is shovel ready. They are Hussein’s pals, not ours.
FURTHER, who began the attacks? It sure wasn’t us. The misguided remain that way. They think they are smart. They are morons.
It sure is ironic. They want to KILL people and our opposition is dismissed as being ad hominem and off topic.
Take your death cult to koz or DU since this thread is dead to you. There’s a great seal at FR for the culture of death dem party. Guess you missed it.
My apologies. You appear to be right about that (based on a very hasty google search).
Thank you for a truthful, passionate, eloquent post.
Isn't it true that most life insurance policies won't pay out for suicide? If so then having to falsify the death certificate is also defrauding insurance companies. And can you imagine the fraud and abuse this will lead to from an insurance standpoint?
Retreads are always ironic and pretend to hold conservative and Constitutional values.
Read the bill. Its explicitly written that no life insurance policies or any other legal procedings of any kind can be denied that have suicide clauses in them. ie according to the law, the “suicide” never happened. Its not on the death certificate, its not able to be referred to by the insurance company or life insurance, wills, or any other legal documents.
The official cause of death is whatever the “medical illness” was that gave them the 6 month terminal diagnosis.
The fact they ‘obtained and self administered life ending medications’ is only on the medical records but no-where else. DEath certificate cannot mention it. Wills cannot mention it. Insurance companies cannot mention it.
That is our government. Legalizing fraud for the sake of murder on behalf of the ‘doctors’ and suicide on behalf of the patients.
I also recall positive statements in the media while she was being murdered. Sick.
The insurance industry goes along with this, because in the long run, they save money. If the patient dies a natural death, the medical costs to the insurance industry are staggering. They save all that money if the patient commits suicide, or is “helped” to commit suicide. They still get out of paying death benefits when someone commits suicide without saving the insurance industry a lot of money on medical bills.
As someone who has been through a lot of terminal illness with friends and family, there comes a time when some physicians medicate to the point of no return. It is for pain and comfort but let's face it, you know when it happens. I guess we welcome that after seeing them in pain for so long.
We don't need laws on the books for assisted suicide. I think it happens everyday and the physician keeps to keep his dignity and oath.
Has everyone heard about the group that uses suffocation for assisted suicide? What I read was you could refuse up until the hood is placed on your head and then there is no turning back. The one guy recently they killed said he had cancer. But his relatives and physicians said he had no cancer now and that he was just depressed over the disfigurements to his jaw or face.
Just plain evil!
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