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U.S. rattled as Mexico drug war bleeds over border
Yahoo News ^ | Sun Mar 1, 10:37 am | Tim Gaynor

Posted on 03/01/2009 2:23:25 PM PST by Carbonsteel

PHOENIX (Reuters) – Hit men dressed in fake police tactical gear burst into a home in Phoenix, rake it with gunfire and execute a man.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; banglist; borderbrothers; borderwars; drugs; drugwarconsequences; executions; gangs; home; homeinvasion; illegalaliens; invasions; kidnappings; mexico; murder; smugglers; thankprohibition; theborder; violence; wod
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When is our governement going to get off is dead ass and do something about this?

It would be nice if our elected officials would do something brazzen, like uphold the constitution.

1 posted on 03/01/2009 2:23:25 PM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: Carbonsteel; HiJinx; Borax Queen; idratherbepainting; AZHSer; Sabertooth; A Navy Vet; ...

PING


2 posted on 03/01/2009 2:25:16 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Carbonsteel
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

Can you here me now, you corrupt, worthless politicians!

3 posted on 03/01/2009 2:26:31 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Carbonsteel

They’re just doing the hit jobs Americans won’t do or something like that ....

And remember, it’s not an amnesty bill ...

All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others ...


4 posted on 03/01/2009 2:27:26 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Carbonsteel
When is our governement going to get off is dead ass and do something about this?
Ah, let's see.

For 8 long years Jorge Bush did zero.

And now we have a President Zero.

Soooo.... ahhhh... my guess... is.... NEVER.

5 posted on 03/01/2009 2:27:31 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Carbonsteel; rabscuttle385

At what point are Americans supposed to assume they’re real cops, or assume they’re not?


6 posted on 03/01/2009 2:28:51 PM PST by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: Carbonsteel
When is our governement going to get off is dead ass and do something about this?

I agree. It's time to end the failed drug war.
7 posted on 03/01/2009 2:29:38 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Carbonsteel

Build a fence and a MOAT.


8 posted on 03/01/2009 2:29:47 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: Carbonsteel

This story is BS as Nappy Napolitano the head of Homeland Security says the violence isn’t spilling over our well secured borders. Who are you going believe, the dead bodies and kidnappings here or our government?


9 posted on 03/01/2009 2:33:19 PM PST by engrpat (A village in Kenya is missing their idiot...lets send him back)
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To: Carbonsteel
But.....but......I thought they were just doing the jobs that Americans won't do?

< / sarcasm >

10 posted on 03/01/2009 2:34:48 PM PST by NRA2BFree
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To: DTogo
"At what point are Americans supposed to assume they’re real cops, or assume they’re not?"

I didn't think about that. Law Enforment agencies accross the country should be in an uproar.

It will probably take some cop getting shot by mistake before anything is said or done and the media probably won't touch the story regardless, so the sheep will never know when it happens.

11 posted on 03/01/2009 2:35:38 PM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: VRWC For Truth
A moat ?...

Just mine the damned border and be done with it.

12 posted on 03/01/2009 2:35:49 PM PST by SENTINEL (SGT USMC GWI)
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To: Carbonsteel
Armed kidnappers snatch victims from cars and even a local shopping mall across the Phoenix valley for ransom, turning the sun-baked city into the "kidnap capital" of the United States.

Barak Obama's selection for Secretary of Homeland Security was the Governor of that state, which is home to the "kidnap capital" of the United States. Isn't that just grand?
13 posted on 03/01/2009 2:36:48 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: Carbonsteel

Eventually this stuff was going to jump the US border

We need to fight the politicians, Chamber of Comemrce, Hispanic Klux Klan groups...and all those who support illegal alienism

First...it needs to be emphasized, repeatedly: “Illegal Alien (Amnesty) is Anti-American Bigotry...if you support Illegal Aliens...you are Anti-American”

The only way this type of crime will stop is to get in the face of those who support this activity


14 posted on 03/01/2009 2:37:41 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (The Biggest Threat To American Soverignty Is Rampant Economic Anti-Americanism)
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To: Carbonsteel

Seems like a valid defense in Arizona now, “My client didn’t know if the victim was actual law enforcement or part of a drug cartel hit squad posing as law enforcement.”


15 posted on 03/01/2009 2:38:24 PM PST by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: Carbonsteel
"Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano ..... told a Congressional hearing last week she was focused on curbing the southbound traffic in guns that are being used to arm the violent cartels."

Well that's very sweet of you Janet baby, but how about doing the hard work and focus on protecting Americans from the NORTHBOUND CRIMINALS?

16 posted on 03/01/2009 2:40:15 PM PST by Enterprise (A Representative Republic - gone now. Foolish people.)
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To: SENTINEL

COMPLETELY agree with you.


17 posted on 03/01/2009 2:41:46 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: Enterprise

Well, she’s well on her way to a never-ending stream of stupid answers. Yeah, Janet, the drug cartels will never find a way to weapons after you cut them off.

Good grief. She’s incredibly stupid.


18 posted on 03/01/2009 2:42:39 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
U.S. rattled as Mexico drug war bleeds over border

This is a lie!

Obama's New Homeland Security (WNBA Fan) Head Janet Napolitano says there is no trouble in the USA due to drug cartel violence.



Quote: "Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano denied Thursday that the latest drug-fueled violence in Mexico has spilled across the border, even as local officials throughout the country see troubling signs of Mexican gang activity."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/20/napolitano-violence-mexico-spilling-border/
19 posted on 03/01/2009 2:42:54 PM PST by WaterBoard (Somewhere a Village is Missing it's Socialist.)
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To: Carbonsteel

How many times do I have to say it.
Send the Army into Mexico and annex it as a territory.
We did that to New Mexico and California in the 19th century.
Why not just complete the job? We will continue to have Mexico as a problem until we seize it and make it part of the USA. As an American territory we would be free to clean up the riff-raff and wipe out the drug lords. God knows we can’t depend upon the Mex government to do this. Besides it needs doing.


20 posted on 03/01/2009 2:44:37 PM PST by BuffaloJack (I want Obama to Fail !)
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To: F15Eagle

As Limbaugh points out, stupidity is costly. It is also deadly. Liberals squander dollars and lives equally.


21 posted on 03/01/2009 2:45:18 PM PST by Enterprise (A Representative Republic - gone now. Foolish people.)
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To: samtheman
For 8 long years Jorge Bush did zero.

This problem has been brewing for a lot longer than eight my FRiend.

22 posted on 03/01/2009 2:45:37 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (FUBO, he says we should listen to our enemies, but not to Rush)
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To: Carbonsteel

The federal government is going to do exactly nothing about this...why should they? Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, are mostly Republican voting states...Obama’s not gonna help them.

Just wait until congress legalizes all the illegals here...and that’s coming...more welfare recipients and Democrat voters.

That’s all they care about.


23 posted on 03/01/2009 2:46:52 PM PST by kjo
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To: Carbonsteel
When is our governement going to get off is dead ass and do something about this?

Don't hold your breath, these are real criminals and are thus pretty scary. It's much easier to control a largely law abiding population than to deal with anarchy like this. Maybe earmark them a billion or so, and then they'll go home.

U.S. Grant and a few of his men dragged a twelve pounder to the top of a church steeple and leveled it at the executive palace; that got the Mexicans' attention back then. I hope it hasn't reached that level yet, but it doesn't look good.

24 posted on 03/01/2009 2:47:32 PM PST by Seven plus One
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To: Enterprise
As Limbaugh points out, stupidity is costly.

No doubt about it. These people aren't stupid, this is deliberate. What their plan is, one can only speculate.

25 posted on 03/01/2009 2:49:17 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (FUBO, he says we should listen to our enemies, but not to Rush)
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To: BuffaloJack
Send the Army into Mexico and annex it as a territory.

Because everyone in Mexico will be entitled to food stamps, welfare, student loans, housing, social security, disability, unemployment, Medicare, Medicaid, minimum wage and free legal advice.

Plus, they hate Americans.

26 posted on 03/01/2009 2:51:29 PM PST by donna ( I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth. - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Enterprise

I wonder if she’s seen the kind of hardware involved in these gun battles down south. Either the cartels have a different supply of weapons or I’ve been missing the grenade and full auto aisle at the gun show.


27 posted on 03/01/2009 2:57:38 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Carbonsteel
It would be nice if our elected officials would do something brazzen, like uphold the constitution.

Hey there, you radical. Don't rock their comfortable little boat by making wild, irresponsible suggestions like that.

28 posted on 03/01/2009 3:02:56 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The Fairness Doctrine isn't about "Fairness" - it's about Doctrine.)
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To: USNBandit

I don’t disagree with stopping the flow of weapons to drug lords and genuine criminal gangs. Some of the hardware involved is hand grenades, mortars, and RPGs. I suspect these things are made in China, if not supplied by China. Typical liberal though, she wants to concentrate on firearms sold in America.


29 posted on 03/01/2009 3:08:24 PM PST by Enterprise (A Representative Republic - gone now. Foolish people.)
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To: WaterBoard

Quote: "Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano
denied Thursday that the latest drug-fueled violence in
Mexico has spilled across the border, even as local officials
throughout the country see troubling signs of Mexican
gang activity."

30 posted on 03/01/2009 3:11:37 PM PST by Seven plus One
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To: Carbonsteel

Mad Max comes to a neighborhood near you.

I am trying to remember the last time I went to Wal Mart and bought a hand grenade or any other chinese made military equipment.

Nice of our Government TO NOT DO the one specific thing that the Constitution requires...protection of our sovereign borders. And they want to disarm us....bwahahahaha

One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America


31 posted on 03/01/2009 3:13:48 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty
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To: Carbonsteel
When is our governement going to get off is dead ass and do something about this?

They are! Didn't you hear Eric Holder? He want's to re-instate a new and improved "assault weapons" ban. That'll stop those Mexican drug lords!

Mark

32 posted on 03/01/2009 3:13:53 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: BuffaloJack

Agreed! Do you think the government will call out the Mormons like they did back then?


33 posted on 03/01/2009 3:14:08 PM PST by panaxanax (Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that don't.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
For 8 long years Jorge Bush did zero.
This problem has been brewing for a lot longer than eight my FRiend.
Yes. You are right. It goes back many decades.

But that doesn't make what I said untrue:

For 8 long years GWB did nothing on this issue.

Less than nothing.

He capitulated to the Mexicans. He capitulated to the rats.

He oversaw the railroading of 2 good Americans working on the border patrol. (I know, in the end he commuted their sentences. Better than nothing, but not justice.)

34 posted on 03/01/2009 3:17:55 PM PST by samtheman
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To: SENTINEL
A moat ?...

Just mine the damned border and be done with it.

I was going to say "you must be new," but you're not, so you must have just missed it a ways back... There were some threads about securing the borders, and other threads about how alligators in FL have lost their fear of humans, and there had been a spate of attacks. Well, this being FR, someone came up with a way to fix both problems at once... Build a moat along the border, and stock it with alligators, especially the ones who aren't afraid of people.

Mark

35 posted on 03/01/2009 3:18:21 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Carbonsteel
When is our governement going to get off is dead ass and do something about this?

Look at it in a broad historical context. In about 197 AD the Roman Emperor Septimius Severus pulled all of the troops out of the border forts along the Rhine and Danube and marched them off to fight a war against the Parthians (Iranians) in what is, coincidentally, now Iraq. This had the effect of giving Rome the same kind of "open borders" policy that we enjoy today.

Over the next 250 years or so gangs of illegal immigrants swarmed across the borders of the Roman Empire, looting, pillaging and no doubt doing work no Roman would do, until they broke up the internal cohesion of the empire and finally sacked Rome itself. What we see today is the early stages of this process as applied to America.

In the early third century the Roman Empire was distracted by foreign adventures and internal political strife and didn't do anything to counter what came to be called the barbarian invasions until it was way too late. We may still have time but you are right - our government needs to get off its dead ass and do something pretty quick before it's too late to prevent the Sack Of Washington.

36 posted on 03/01/2009 3:18:36 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Be There >>> http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com)
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Now the they’ve murdered a US Senator’s son, things will change.

What?
The victim wasn’t a senator’s son?

Never mind.


37 posted on 03/01/2009 3:18:44 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Enterprise
Some of the hardware involved is hand grenades, mortars, and RPGs. I suspect these things are made in China, if not supplied by China. Typical liberal though, she wants to concentrate on firearms sold in America.

These people have enough cash money to acquire whatever they want, from any market in the world. I'd look for containers of arms and ammo coming from the far east. Who's actually selling them, who knows? I'll bet the state department has a clue.

38 posted on 03/01/2009 3:19:59 PM PST by Seven plus One
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To: BuffaloJack
As an American territory we would be free to clean up the riff-raff and wipe out the drug lords. God knows we can’t depend upon the Mex government to do this. Besides it needs doing.

On the other hand, they can't seem to do that in southern California, and last time I checked that was a part of the USA.

Mark

39 posted on 03/01/2009 3:20:39 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL
No offense, man.

This problem is way beyond fixing now...All that is left are consequences.

40 posted on 03/01/2009 3:22:03 PM PST by SENTINEL (SGT USMC GWI)
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****Agreed! Do you think the government will call out the Mormons like they did back then?***

All the Mormons did was march to California and shoot the bull. Google... Mormon battalion battle of the bulls.

41 posted on 03/01/2009 3:26:34 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: Seven plus One
"I'll bet the state department has a clue. "

My bet would be that our Government knows EXACTLY where the automatic weapons and explosives are coming from and who is involved.

42 posted on 03/01/2009 3:28:50 PM PST by Enterprise (A Representative Republic - gone now. Foolish people.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
These people aren't stupid, this is deliberate. What their plan is, one can only speculate.

Don't forget the words of Rahm Emmanuel...

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste."

As we saw with the bail-outs and the stimulus plan, it's amazing how much can be rammed through congress and get enacted without anyone bothering to read any part of the bills, or knowing what's in them.

I remember Wayne LaPierre saying that Bill Clinton was willing to accept a certain level of gun violence for political use. The media (including the dems) ripped him up one side and down the other, but never seemed to actually repudiate what he said. I can see Obama and Holder using this sort of thing to demand the licensing of all gun owners, and the registration of all guns, with a limit on the amount of ammunition one is allowed to buy, plus HUGE excise tax increases in order to fund these new programs.

Mark

43 posted on 03/01/2009 3:28:50 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I know all about it. My Gr. Gr. Grandfather was the “butcher” who slit the bull’s throat. Honest. At least they served when called upon and often w/o pay.


44 posted on 03/01/2009 3:31:38 PM PST by panaxanax (Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that don't.)
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To: panaxanax

***At least they served when called upon and often w/o pay.***

They served. That is good. Meanwhile, Steak’s on! Toss the hardtack and beans!


45 posted on 03/01/2009 3:48:05 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Another bull fell wounded near one of the butchers, Robert Harris. He ran over to cut the animal’s throat but when he bent over the bull sprung to his feet, swung a horn around taking a swipe at Harris’ head. Instead it caught his butcher’s cap on the tip and ran off with it.

In the midst of battle Harris was chasing the bull shouting, “Stop you thief!”

He chased the animal some 75 yards before it gave up the ghost and fell to the ground——and his butcher’s knife.
_______________________________

He then proceeded on to Sutter’s Fort and worked panning gold, walked across the Sierra Nevada Mtns., across the Salt Flats into Salt Lake City expecting his family to be there. They weren’t, so he walked back to Iowa working as a butcher to round up enough money a wagon to make the trek westward. It is said that he walked a total of 5000 miles. Say what you want, but they don’t make men like that anymore! I am proud to have his blood running through my veins.


46 posted on 03/01/2009 3:54:08 PM PST by panaxanax (Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that don't.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

>>”Steak’s on! Toss the hardtack and beans!”<<

Let me pull on my boots and I’ll be right over!


47 posted on 03/01/2009 3:57:02 PM PST by panaxanax (Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that don't.)
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To: BuffaloJack
Send the Army into Mexico and annex it as a territory.

The problem is, why on earth would we want it and what would we do with it if we had it?

Here are some facts:

Area of Mexico: 1,973,000 square km
Area of the Vietnam: 330,000 square km

Population of Mexico: 110,000,000
Population of Vietnam: 86,000,000

Population of Mexico City and suburbs: 22,000,000
Population of Guadalajara and suburbs: 4,300,000
Population of Monterrey and suburbs: 3,800,000
Population of Puebla and suburbs: 2,100,000

Mexico has a very nationalistic population and a political class that leans much further to the left than the US does. Assuming the population of Mexico were to passively submit to US conquest (they won't) the United states would be stuck with four ghetto slum cities with populations over 2 million that make Detroit look like Palm Beach County, a manufacturing sector whose "cheap labor" model is being killed by China's "cheapest labor" model,a semi-literate rural culture, an abysmal urban infrastructure, a non-existent rural infrastructure and about 50,000,000 left of liberal voters.

Then of course there are the drug cartels, rural village gangs who rob passing 18 wheelers, urban kidnap gangs, protection rackets, pick pockets and a political class that makes Bill Clinton look like Thomas Jefferson.

The last thing on God's Green Earth the United States wants is to "annex" Mexico.

48 posted on 03/01/2009 3:57:28 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Be There >>> http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com)
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To: advance_copy

Yes, and she left Arizona without ever having any type of emergency plan in place. Just priceless.


49 posted on 03/01/2009 4:15:38 PM PST by ChocChipCookie ("Let his days be few, and let another take his office." Psalm 109:8)
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To: Enterprise
I saw some photos of the aftermath of a large gunbattle in Matamoros (sp?). A couple 10" barrel M-16 variants with huge magazines, but the rest were AK-47s.
50 posted on 03/01/2009 4:26:52 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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