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Thousands of Mexican soldiers pour into the country's most violent city in crackdown on drug gangs
Mail Online ^ | March 3, 2008 | Mail Foreign Service

Posted on 03/03/2009 8:35:23 AM PST by WMarshal

Armed to the hilt, they came from land and air, determined to restore order to Mexico's most violent city. Nearly 2,000 Mexican soldiers and armed federal police poured into the border town of Ciudad Juarez last weekend.

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TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: drugs; drugwarconsequences; juarez; mexico; military; thankprohibition
Mexico is complaining that 90% of the assault weapons the drug gang use come from America and it is asking the US government to legislate bans on these weapons. We have all of these weapons here but not near the level of violence against our law-abiding citizens. Why is this? It is because the law-abiding populace is armed to defend themselves while the peons in Mexico defenseless victims. Even if America banned assault weapons, the drug gangs in Mexico would import them from other failed or terrorist sponsoring countries like Syria, Iran, North Korea, etc. What Mexico needs is a law allowing honest decent people to defend themselves, not demand that we make the same mistake.
1 posted on 03/03/2009 8:35:24 AM PST by WMarshal
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To: WMarshal

AK-47s are built where?


2 posted on 03/03/2009 8:38:51 AM PST by Tarpon (It's a common fact, one can't be liberal and rational at the same time.)
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To: WMarshal

Earth to idiot Mexicans!......We wanted a wall ya’all!!!


3 posted on 03/03/2009 8:38:53 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: WMarshal

Problem is US demand for drugs and unlimited cash supply it creates for drug cartels


4 posted on 03/03/2009 8:42:47 AM PST by dimk
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

How about Earth to idiot DC?


5 posted on 03/03/2009 8:42:57 AM PST by SolidWood (Palin: "In Alaska we eat therefore we hunt.")
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To: Tarpon

dunno about the full auto ones, but semi-auto ones are
made here, as well as Yugo, Egypt, Bulgaria, Romania,
etc etc.


6 posted on 03/03/2009 8:43:30 AM PST by rahbert
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To: WMarshal

They are not coming from America, but from other countries. The statement that they are coming from our country is simply laying the blame on others to defelct criticism of the current Calderon governement.


7 posted on 03/03/2009 8:43:56 AM PST by texmexis best (uency)
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To: WMarshal

The tough question is:

-Are the Mexican authorities willing to do what is necessary?

They must know who the drug cartels employ. Would they be willing to eradicate these people? Or are they simply making a show of force on behalf of an impotent government?


8 posted on 03/03/2009 8:44:26 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: WMarshal

Hey if the Mexican troops are successful, maybe we could invite them to storm Washington D.C, to put down the local dangerous criminal gang.

You know, the criminals headed by Obama and Pelosi.


9 posted on 03/03/2009 8:44:44 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: WMarshal

Still not buying it.

Weapons entering mexico are more likely entering on container ships through cartel controlled ports in mexico. However that doesn’t do much for the gun control argument here.


10 posted on 03/03/2009 8:46:17 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: All

I saw (a few weeks ago) some ‘mafia’ backed demonstration against the police, imagine how bad it is.


11 posted on 03/03/2009 8:50:39 AM PST by PRePublic
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To: texmexis best

“They are not coming from America, but from other countries. The statement that they are coming from our country is simply laying the blame on others to defelct criticism of the current Calderon governement.”

Right. The Mexican government refuses to provide our government the serial numbers of any guns they claim have come from the U.S. ... because they did not come from the U.S.

It is propaganda, and our own governement is going to try and use it to take away another of our freedoms.


12 posted on 03/03/2009 8:52:33 AM PST by Tex Pete (Obama for Change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions!)
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To: dimk

There are also connections between the drug gangs and the increasing number of leftist drug-producing countries in Latin America. Mexico is the end of the chain before stuff gets across the border, which is where the money is. (Actually, at the rate we’re going, maybe that won’t be a problem much longer!)


13 posted on 03/03/2009 8:53:54 AM PST by livius
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To: texmexis best

“The statement that they are coming from our country is simply laying the blame on others to defelct criticism of the current Calderon governement.”

And to disarm us for La Raza and Aztlan Nation. “The Drug War” is a prybar.


14 posted on 03/03/2009 8:54:18 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Tex Pete
Several AKs were traced via serial numbers to an Arizona gun shop called X-Caliber Guns in Phoenix. Yesterday's WSJ also reported Cabela’s in Phoenix called authorities after they sold 24,000 rounds for more than $10,000 in cash. The ammo was loaded into a car with Mexican plates. The buyers were Mexicans.
15 posted on 03/03/2009 9:06:07 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Oh, of course some guns and ammo come from the states, but I have a very hard time believing that most are. Especially since the cartels are using full auto weapons, hand grenades, etc.

There are lots of easy ways for drug cartels to get weapons. I would venture to guess that the easiest way is through corrupt military and police.


16 posted on 03/03/2009 9:17:48 AM PST by Tex Pete (Obama for Change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Call to Arms boys!!!!


17 posted on 03/03/2009 9:18:24 AM PST by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW ,)
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To: WMarshal

“Nearly 2,000 Mexican soldiers and armed federal police poured into the border town of Ciudad Juarez last weekend.”

2,000? LOL....to fight millions on the side of the cartels. And half of them are working with the cartels.


18 posted on 03/03/2009 9:20:37 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: texmexis best

They’re getting their grenades from Korea per a report last week. And don’t forget, Iran and Mexico have great trade relations.


19 posted on 03/03/2009 9:22:20 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: AuntB

Smoke and mirrors until more U.S. funding arrives.


20 posted on 03/03/2009 9:22:24 AM PST by TADSLOS ( Join the Conservative Revolution! http://falconparty.com/)
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To: TADSLOS; All
"Smoke and mirrors until more U.S. funding arrives."

You got that right. I've been saying for days, that Obama will borrow money and increase foreign aid with it. Here's the headline today:

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obama_foreign_aid/2009/03/02/187543.html?s=al&promo_code=7B56-1

President Obamas 2010 budget seeks to double U.S. aid payments to other countries despite a $1.75 trillion deficit and the worst recession in over a quarter of a century.

Israel ($2.4 billion in 2008) and Egypt ($1.7 billion), the two signatories to the Camp David Accords, receive by far the most U.S. foreign aid. Other major recipients include Pakistan, Jordan, Kenya, South Africa, and Mexico.

21 posted on 03/03/2009 9:31:05 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: AuntB

Its hard to see how we could give them much more. The pix in yesterday’s WSJ showed Mexican Army enlistees dressed in the same uniforms and helmets as the US Army, and carrying M-16s.


22 posted on 03/03/2009 9:38:07 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Tarpon

In my garage.. seriously...

You can buy a parts kit, well you used to be able too, and make you’re own semi-auto AKM..

But lets be honest, these scumbag drug dealers are world class criminals, they do not need our help with guns when they have the likes of Chavez, etc and the other scumbags in South America helping them out.

Last I heard they busted some of the Mexicans with H&K G36C and RPGs...

Whens the last time you ever saw a H&K G36C and a fully functioning RPG for sale at a US gun show?


23 posted on 03/03/2009 9:46:24 AM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: dimk

“Problem is US demand for drugs and unlimited cash supply it creates for drug cartels”

If not drugs, it’d be human trafficking, weapons or anything else that could be seen as having a “street value.”


24 posted on 03/03/2009 9:59:08 AM PST by ScottinVA (Make my world PURRRFECT, Lord Obama!!)
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To: rahbert

So who will sell the Mexican drug cartels the AKs the cheapest? Hugo Chavez or Pedro’s gun shop in El Paso Tx. And how will Pedro get 100 full auto AKs when the world market price is about $75 for full auto AKs.

The whole premise of this story is stupid, designed to bait the gullible for more USA gun control ...


25 posted on 03/03/2009 10:13:26 AM PST by Tarpon (It's a common fact, one can't be liberal and rational at the same time.)
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To: ScottinVA

“If not drugs, it’d be human trafficking, weapons or anything else that could be seen as having a ‘street value.’”

All that is already going on. The big money is in the drugs though. Without all those billions these would be more like little street gangs.


26 posted on 03/03/2009 10:22:28 AM PST by TKDietz
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To: dimk

Congressman xxxxxxx hopes for no delay in shipments.


27 posted on 03/03/2009 10:29:26 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Tarpon

“So who will sell the Mexican drug cartels the AKs the cheapest? Hugo Chavez or Pedro’s gun shop in El Paso Tx. And how will Pedro get 100 full auto AKs when the world market price is about $75 for full auto AKs.”

Hugo is probably the source for AKs. Other big stuff too.

He has received 100,000 aks in the last few years from Russia and I suspect they were for insurgents such as the drug cartels in Mexico and other South American countries.


28 posted on 03/03/2009 10:44:27 AM PST by texmexis best (uency)
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To: texmexis best
Yep, it's obvious what is going on ... Hugo Chavez ships the AKs to Mexican drug cartels, they shoot up our border. Hugo stirs up trouble with is enemy, meanwhile, Obama meets with Hugo Chavez to improve relations. Naivety.

The USA gun control freaks ever looking for another con, try to blame the violence on Americans running guns south/ Not going to work as long as there are people who know. And don't forget the UN small arms regulation crap.

Now about those grenades. I wonder if Pedro's guns in el paso sells them as well — LOL.

29 posted on 03/03/2009 11:34:21 AM PST by Tarpon (It's a common fact, one can't be liberal and rational at the same time.)
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To: WMarshal
From the Big Story currently on Fox News:



Two of Mexico's deadliest drug cartels have reached a combined force of 100,000 foot soldiers, wreaking havoc across the country and threatening U.S. border states, The Washington Times quotes the U.S. Defense Department.

The cartels rival the Mexican army in size and have both Mexico and the U.S. in crisis mode to deal with what they fear is a coming insurgency along the border.

"It's moving to crisis proportions," an unidentified defense official told The Times. The official also said the cartels have reached a size where they are on par with Mexico's army of 130,000.

30 posted on 03/03/2009 1:15:35 PM PST by Scythian
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To: Tarpon
“The USA gun control freaks ever looking for another con, try to blame the violence on Americans running guns south/ Not going to work as long as there are people who know. And don't forget the UN small arms regulation crap.”

The drug war has always been useful for taking away rights and protections guaranteed in the Constitution. If it will help us fight the scourge of drugs, it's worth it. Now we have another threat, these Mexican drug cartels, and if it will make it easier to fight these guys then banning assault rifles and other guns is worth it for the greater good. Never mind that we have created the conditions necessary for these thugs to make so much money and become such a threat, and never mind the fact that they are buying they're military hardware from somewhere else and they have plenty of money to buy more guns somewhere else if the supply dries up some here, if people are serious about fighting the war on drugs then by gosh we need to start banning guns.

31 posted on 03/04/2009 6:42:15 AM PST by SmallGovRepub
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