Hollister v Soetoro DISMISSED (US DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA - 3/5/09)

scribd ^ | 3/5/2009 | rxisd

[rxsid]

ORDER For the reasons set forth in an accompanying memorandum, the defendants' motion to dismiss [#9] is granted, and John D. Hemenway is ordered to show cause within eleven days of the date of this order why he should not be sanctioned under Rule 11(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13033216/Dismissed

[Red Steel]

I hope he slaps a giant fine of Berg and his minions.

Hello Obama Democrat.

[Michael Michael]

Furthermore...look at the spacing of the two outer rings. In the Decosta image there is a definate space between the two. In the Barry image the rings virtually touch each other.

The De Costa seal is also larger. But so is the seal on the Michelle COLB. Hawaii hasn't used the exact same seal since 2002. Things change.

Again, nothing unusual.

[rxsid]

On a related (lawsuit) note:

"An active duty member of military intelligence joined this legal action. Name withheld for time being"

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/03/05/an-active-duty--member-of-military-intelligence-joined-this-legal-action-name-withheld-for-time-being.aspx

[mad_as_he$$]

I have said all along the fix is in.

[Michael Michael]

There's no official state seal on Barry's version on any of his friendly web sites. I've provided the images.

No, it can be seen, unless you have a crappy monitor or bad vision.

Here's the high resolution scan on Fact Check:

http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Obama%20Birth%20Certificate/BO%20Birth%20Certificate.jpg

If you zoom in to full size and look just above where date stamp bleeds through, you'll see faint horizontal creases in the area where the seal is located, that you don't see anywhere else in the image.

Edge detection makes it more obvious. Here's an image using Sobel edge detection that Polarik did and as with the other images I've referenced, is posted on his Photo Bucket album:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate-Sobel-Edge.jpg?t=1236299719

You can clearly see what they are trying to pass off as the state seal is 1) totally illegible, no reference to state of HI and 2) who know what COLB that came from because in that very high res shot of the fake seal, you can't tell who's COLB it's on.

What's clearly seen is that you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Sorry.

[Michael Michael]

By the way...have you seen in 1961 long form Certificate?

Nope.

[Red Steel]

Where's the seal? Do you see it? Is this a fake COLB?

Yeah, I see Ayers "Factcheck's".org BS forged seal compared with a genuine state of Hawaii seal.

[this is my country]

Only avenue left is removal from office by way of conviction of impeachment as per Article II, Section 4.

Impeachment? On what evidence? Can the Congress compel Hawaii to release the original birth certificate? Or can they convict by, simply, debating the Natural Born issue based on Obama's written statements?

[mrmeangenes]

Oooh ! New “WORD” !!

Dress blues, tennis shoes, and a light coat of oil.

Have fun with it,people !

Left-step,right-step,double-to-the-rear duckwalk !!

(Kazoo chorus : “Be Kind to your Web-Footed Friends”)

[Michael Michael]

Yeah, I see Ayers "Factcheck's".org BS forged seal compared with a genuine state of Hawaii seal.

There's not a shred of credible evidence that it's a forged seal. The seal on Obama's COLB is identical to the seal on the Michelle COLB. And the claim that Hawaii uses the exact same seal on every document throughout a calendar year has never been substantiated by anyone with the Hawaii Department of Health.

[Velveeta]

Crusade??? The judge called it a CRUSADE?!? How apropos.

From Websters:

“any of the military expeditions undertaken by Christian powers in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to win the Holy Land from the Muslims”

And now I see the judge has practically called for jihad on the plaintiff’s attorney.

What a world.

[Non-Sequitur]

Are you saying this is not a legal matter?

No, I'm saying you don't have legal standing to sue.

[Non-Sequitur]

You've been shown the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which was the statute on the books at the time of his birth.

And I've shown you my copy of it, which differs from yours in wording but not in Title, Chapter or Act identifiers. And you would have us believe that coincidentally two pieces of legislation had the exact same layout and redundant provisions.

[Non-Sequitur]

But under INA 1952, she could not have conferred citizenship on Obama if he were born outside the US.

Maybe, maybe not. But the operative word is 'if', as in 'if he was born outside the US'. If he was born in the U.S. as claimed, and your side has shown no evidence that he was not, then he's a natural born U.S. citizen and qualified to be president.

[Michael Michael]

Impeachment? On what evidence?

Exactly.

There's no credible evidence that Obama was born anyplace other than Hawaii. So upon what rational basis would there be any reason to suspect otherwise?

Can the Congress compel Hawaii to release the original birth certificate?

I suppose they could try. They do have subpoena power.

Or can they convict by, simply, debating the Natural Born issue based on Obama's written statements?

If who is or is not a "natural born citizen" is a debatable issue, then I don't see what sort of high crime or misdemeanor he could be impeached for.

I mean, let's say there's a law that says can only buy alcohol if you're "an adult," but the law gives no definition as to exactly what age constitutes being "an adult."

And let's say you're 19 years old and go down to the liquor store and buy a bottle of vodka. And everything's cool.

Then later, the law is amended to explicitly state that you're "an adult" able to buy alcohol if you're 21 years of age, did you necessarily commit any crime when you bought alcohol when you were 19?

[Red Steel]

. There's not a shred of credible evidence that it's a forged seal. The seal on Obama's COLB is identical to the seal on the Michelle COLB. And the claim that Hawaii uses the exact same seal on every document throughout a calendar year has never been substantiated by anyone with the Hawaii Department of Health.

That seal comparison is more than a shred of evidence alright. It's more than you've got. You have an excuse for all the Obama COLB inconsistencies don't you? You always have the answer that explains away everything.

You show me the proof that the Hawaiian Department of Health did not use the same seal for birth certificates and COLBs throughout the year? You can't.

[Michael Michael]

Maybe, maybe not.

No maybe about it.

But the operative word is 'if', as in 'if he was born outside the US'.

Yes. And as I've said, there's no credible evidence that he was born anyplace other than Hawaii.

If he was born in the U.S. as claimed, and your side has shown no evidence that he was not, then he's a natural born U.S. citizen and qualified to be president.

Given that citizenship by birth in the United States has always been jus solis, then yes, that would be the case.

[Defiant]

Not only should states require birth certificates, but they should also pass laws making it a felony to knowingly run for an office for which you are not qualified. It is an offense against our republic.

[this is my country]

If who is or is not a "natural born citizen" is a debatable issue, then I don't see what sort of high crime or misdemeanor he could be impeached for.

If your saying "natural born citizen" is not an impeachable offense, then why suggest impeachment as the only solution when eligibility to hold office is the issue we are discussing.

[Red Steel]

The seal on Obama's COLB is identical to the seal on the Michelle COLB.

Huh? Obama's wife Michelle? What is she doing with a COLB from Hawaii since she is from Chicago, IL? LoL!