Are Congress and Obama Deliberately Inciting a New US Civil War?

Canadian Free Press ^ | March 20, 2009 | Sher Zieve

[mad_as_he$$]

Some issues with your analysis. The Military is going to be very occupied overseas. 90% of our hard combat inventory is overseas. What is here will be requisitioned by the CSF. The first line CSF will be the 0 kids - cannon fodder. The second line will be mercs from Southern Europe and Asia. They will not give a small rats a$$ about pillaging and killing Americans.

[mad_as_he$$]

um not exactly:

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

[word_warrior_bob]

I see police officers all over town with shaved bald heads. They look like pro-wrestlers or thugs.

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We’ve had a couple of conversations about this. A retired cop I occasionally play golf with said he knew it was time for him to leave the force when these young guys with bald heads, using steroids and pulling over grandma for doing 32 in a 25 started to dominate the force. Pull over grammy, stroll up to the car, hand on gun, etc., he couldn’t take it anymore.

I see this a lot in NJ, especially small towns, they look like pro wrestlers because they’re using steroids and lifting like pro wrestlers. I don’t know if it indicates that they’re Democrats or Republicans, but this is the new “cop look”, bald head, jacked up to the moon on steroids, “RoboCops”.

[wxgesr]

Someone should do an assessment regarding the phaso of operations that the Obama/Alinsky plan is in. Look strategically. What can we do to counter the actions of their plan? There is always a counter. We have to open the apeture and see the bigger picture. It is not AIG, divesion. Difficult to do while we are focused on the news cycle. I do not have the answer, but there are things happening and we can see telltales. What is the next big thing? The 912 Project and sites like FR and others are ways of finding out.

[clamper1797]

I haven’t studied Hitler, was this his MO

The only thing that is diffeent about FUBO andHitler is that Adolf had a little mustashe

[devolve]

[patriot preacher]

does anyone here really think our military as a whole would actually fire on or take action against large numbers of American citizens?
I believe I’ve read that thirty percent of the military claims Democrat affiliation. I’ve known at least a couple of former military (one Marine, one SEAL) that are Democrats. It’s not out of the question, IMHO. Remember that many of the officers at the highest level are politicians, not warriors or even patriots (sorry if that stings, but think of Colin Powell).

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I don’t disagree — but I think the Colin Powell’s are the exception rather than the rule. I KNOW the officers are not the ones who do most of the fighting. If 30% of the military ignored their oath to defend the Constitution, I’m still somewhat sure that MORE than that would choose to keep their oath.

It may be wishful thinking. But, even if it were only 30% that would betray their oath, that would get bloody quickly. Hope it never comes down to that.

[usmcobra]

Why isn’t the real question will the military revolt when faced with armed citizens and orders from Obama to kill them?

[RC2]

You are being led to communism. This book lays out the complete process of attaining it. “Take from those who have and give it to the have nots”.

[Gandalf_The_Gray]

The left says they do. and they are never wrong.

Well then, I guess you're right then. Sorry, I ever doubted you.

Regards,
GtG

[Cacique]

And Americans will have no qualms about killing them. It’s a two way street.

[tobyhill]

If they are then I’m game for it.

[Nowhere Man]

I don’t know if they want it, but listening to everyone in malls, restaurants, almost everywhere you go, it looks like if they keep this up, they may get one. I’ve never seen so many people so pissed off. Never! Ammo and firearm sales speak volumes and don’t let the news sell you the BS that’s it’s because they think they may be banned. We went to a gun show a few weekends ago and they were buying, LOTS, and I heard many say they expected they would have to use them eventually. Scary times people, scary times.

Same here, most mechanics I deliver to, if you mention Zero, it is like waving a red flag in front of a bull. A lot of them listen to Glenn Beck, Rush, Hannity, Savage and Jim Quinn.

What is scary is we are being pushed ans pushed so much, we will end up in a corner, most people know that. I've even heard some say, "well if I only knew I had "X" amount of time to live....." That is really scary, but again, like anything else, if pushed into a corner, even a baby chick or a kitten will fight.

[potlatch]

Really great graphic devolve!

“The Post American World”, his views that the US will no longer dominate and the rise of the rest of the world.

Fareed Zakaria also wrote “The Future Of Freedom”
its central conclusion — that liberty is threatened by an excess of democracy.

His article in 1997 in Foreign Affairs, “The Rise of Illiberal Democracy” about the “wave” of democracy that had swept the world in the 1980’s and 1990’s had a shadow side.

He does not admire democracy.

[CottonBall]

I'm not a socialist. I cannot live in a socialist country. I can live with socialists/liberals I just don't ever want them in power. I would rather live on a dessert Island, by myself than to live in a socialistically governed country.

hear hear! I'm with ya 113%!!!

[TenthAmendmentChampion]

Food for thought ping - printed in a Canadian publication

[TenthAmendmentChampion]

I must admit I often wonder if our illegal invasion is a means of building an army with no qualms about killing Americans.

Thanks a lot for giving me something new to worry about.

[Quix]

THX.

WILL CHECK IT OUT.

[hiredhand]

JB - You probably know that I'm a reluctant CW-II participant. By this I mean that I hope for the best, while observing signs that seem to indicate that conditions could digress into an environment which is ripe for a civil conflict on a larger scale.

There are a lot of people like me I'd imagine. These people observe and mentally calculate conditions, and odds, and the total number of factors which might make the environment either more or less conducive to a civil conflict.

I believe there's a subculture here in America that exists which is like no other on this planet. In spite of the best efforts of the Marxists over the decades, there are still "Patriots" who I'm quite sure are willing to fight and die for the U.S. Constitution, whether the enemy be foreign, or domestic. But as I've stated before, I also believe that this subculture is fractured at worst and at best exists in tiny groups which aren't able to communicate or coordinate effectively as a whole.

Beyond this is the issue of logistics. Some of us have experience in the area of logistics in large scale conflict. Most people have no idea. To put this into perspective for most people, just present them with the correct outfitting of only FIVE people, and keeping a sustainable standard with equipment. Somebody is certain to criticize me on this, so fire away. But I can only "guess" that this would become a real issue if you and a buddy were cornered and he ran out of ammo and you tossed a full magazine but you were using a Soviet bloc weapon, and he was using a U.S. made weapon....OOPSIE.

But I'm not talking about maintaining and keeping standards. Most people buy what they can afford. Keeping standards is a luxury. Having to do it on a budget only means that the mass equipment issue will be cheap gear. Having a bigger budget means better equipment of course.

What I am getting at here is that I believe that soon the environment will be RIPE for a major civil disruption. I'm not in my old job any more. So I don't speak with any insider knowledge. I'm just like the next person, watching what's going on around me. But it's very possible that soon we will have an unprecedented unemployment rate AND hyperinflation. This will result in masses of angry, unemployed people...the combination of which is a very BAD thing indeed! Could it be that the Obama administration knows this and has therefore attempted to counter it with their plans for massive INVOLUNTARY national service? This suggestion seems reasonable.

Hyperinflation is the key issue here. Because after hyperinflation, the dynamics of buying and selling changes. Right now, there is a great deal of anger aimed at D.C. This anger is also crossing political boundaries and only the most brainwashed of the left is still seriously on board with "Change We Can Believe In". The continuing collapse of the financial industry is bringing reality to a personal level and many of these are coming to terms with the fact that they were deceived badly. If I were the authorities, I'd be carefully watching wealthy patriotic businessmen just about now. Because after hyperinflation kicks in, it will be difficult to accomplish the logistics of procuring large numbers of weapons, body armor, surgical kits, communications gear, and other necessities. This is because the logistics would probably be solved through foreign (and illegal) channels. But U.S. dollars wouldn't be worth anything at that point. Hence the key indicator being hyperinflation. It VASTLY impacts the logistics of orchestrating a civil conflict.

Before somebody accuses me of actually saying that somebody is going to START a civil war, I must remind everybody that I'm doing NO SUCH THING. I'm merely reminding people of what must be done in order to undertake such an endeavor. Those who believe that "We The People" are going to suddenly form up and take up arms simply have a strange and unrealistic expectation. Perhaps they'll let me know how that goes if those who CONTROL the flow of ammunition decided to STOP the flow of ammunition. I'm sure that while you get the point, others will be offended due to personal pride issues. This is to be expected.

But the entire issue is one of logistics, and somebody will have to be influential enough and wealthy enough and have enough political pull at least at a state level. I would especially pay attention if something goes seriously wrong with the power structure in D.C. Perhaps another successful terrorist attack involving NBC?

I don't know. I'm not advocating anything, nor suggesting, nor encouraging. I'm merely stating that once a favorable environment is established for mass armed conflict, there's still a huge logistics issue at hand.