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Schenectady mayor considers options, martial law over police woes
capitalnews9.com ^ | 3/23/9 | Steve Ference

Posted on 03/23/2009 7:59:28 AM PDT by bimboeruption

SCHENECTADY, N.Y. -- Schenectady Police Chief Mark Chaires said, "This is unprecedented - all these officers getting in trouble at the same time for all these different reasons.

Five Schenectady police officers recently accused of everything from driving drunk to beating up a man are leading city officials to look at taking drastic action to fix a department tainted by the few who may have acted illegally, like Darren Lawrence and Michael Brown who are accused of driving while intoxicated.

Chief Chaires said, "Those two officers, we're definitely going to seek termination, and we're not ruling it out with any of the officers who are out there.

Police Chief Mark Chaires told us you basically have to fire yourself - essentially a million dollar fine in lost benefits over a lifetime.

Still, Schenectady Mayor Brian Stratton said, "We believe there are five officers now who could face possible termination."

But it's not just the threat of termination. Mayor Stratton told us he's looking at all options, including disbanding the police department - basically starting over.

"It's something we're certainly looking into. I think the public has had it up to here," said the mayor.

Currently, officials are reviewing the legal options and planning to present a full report in early April - options like a consolidated county-wide police force or bringing in the State Police.

The mayor said there is another option - and that would be declaring martial law. The governor would have to declare it and then the National Guard would come in. The mayor said it's more for a transition to a new police force if that were to happen.

He said, "It may be that as a stopgap measure, that you would need military forces - State Police, National Guard."

Mayor Stratton said the temporary measure would last until the new police force took over.

Schenectady's Corporation Counsel John Van Norden said, "If you abolish the police department you still have a need - not an obligation - but a need to police the community. You would need something in transition. Declaring martial law would be one way to bridge the gap."

"It's a contrived scenario," said the mayor. "But it's not beyond the realm of possibilities if you go that particular route."

Chief Chaires said, "When I think of martial law, I think of rioting. I think of Watts riots and things like that. I haven't seen anything that rises to that level. I was a little surprised to hear that."

But whether the National Guard needs to be called in or not, we'll take a more-in-depth look on Thursday at the county-wide and State Police options, as officials try to deal with an unprecedented situation in unprecedented ways.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; martiallaw; newyork; possecomitatus; schenectady
Earlier this month the Posse Comitatus Act was violated in Alabama after the shooting of 11 people.

Now this in New York.

More indications of our rights being taken away.

1 posted on 03/23/2009 7:59:28 AM PDT by bimboeruption
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To: bimboeruption

Here on the Island, we had one police department closed, and police service provided by the town in which the village was located. And since the State Troopers have statewide jurisdiction, the easiest way to handle it is to have the troopers take over.


2 posted on 03/23/2009 8:04:15 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: bimboeruption

Bad Cop = No Donut is okay but martial law?


3 posted on 03/23/2009 8:05:35 AM PDT by ninonitti
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To: bimboeruption

Believe it or not the former Schenectady Chief of Police and his wife ran a drug smuggling ring from their home. Both were convicted after taking plea bargains.


4 posted on 03/23/2009 8:05:49 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: bimboeruption

Don’t they have a county sheriff to whom the responsibility would default?


5 posted on 03/23/2009 8:06:08 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: bimboeruption
"More indications of our rights being taken away."

Seems more like an indication of over reaction.

6 posted on 03/23/2009 8:07:02 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: bimboeruption

General George Patton violated it several times before WWII for a good cause. Look up Patton and Phenix City, Alabama.


7 posted on 03/23/2009 8:09:10 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: bimboeruption

Hmmmm, Glenn Beck is reading this now on the radio. Glenn/Stu are FReeping... lurking?


8 posted on 03/23/2009 8:09:38 AM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: bimboeruption

How many cops are in this department? How long have there been problems and of what sort? Sounds like there is a heck of a lot we don’t know. And is this mayor a loon, suggesting martial law??


9 posted on 03/23/2009 8:10:14 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: All

Schenectady is a shit hole and has been in a death spiral since GE pulled out decades ago.


10 posted on 03/23/2009 8:11:44 AM PDT by riri
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To: bimboeruption

It seems US law enforcement considers the military just another tool in their toolbox. Not how it was supposed to be..


11 posted on 03/23/2009 8:11:58 AM PDT by Moozle ( Check out the conservative shirts, etc. at - http://www.cafepress.com/philoshirt)
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To: PzLdr
Here on the Island, we had one police department closed, and police service provided by the town in which the village was located. And since the State Troopers have statewide jurisdiction, the easiest way to handle it is to have the troopers take over.

This mayor is talking about the possibility of bringing in the State Police, but more likely the National Guard.

12 posted on 03/23/2009 8:12:27 AM PDT by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: Moozle

>It seems US law enforcement considers the military just another tool in their toolbox.

It sure seems that way... and we’ve been getting a lot of training in MP-stuff like detainee ops.. sure, that was for Iraq, but I could see how politicians would think that we’re “just more personnel”.

>Not how it was supposed to be..

*nod* - Agreed... how it’s supposed to be is the armed forces are to kill people and break things.


13 posted on 03/23/2009 8:17:12 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: riri
GE pulled out decades ago.

It did?

ML/NJ

14 posted on 03/23/2009 8:25:57 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: OneWingedShark

.. and as an American military member, killing American people and breaking American things is like the sound of one hand clapping - an unthinkable thought. Keep us posted if there’s “training” to make the unthinkable thinkable.

Doubtful, but I could be recalled...(I was the Air Force equivalent of an MP)


15 posted on 03/23/2009 8:26:23 AM PDT by Moozle ( Check out the conservative shirts, etc. at - http://www.cafepress.com/philoshirt)
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To: PzLdr
Which Island is that?

FR is read extensively in this country [the USA] and all over the world.

Where I live San Francisco is referred to as “The City” by many.

You do know you can fly the flag of your State on your FR page. Thanks

16 posted on 03/23/2009 8:29:26 AM PDT by Syncro (Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat)
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To: Moozle

>... and as an American military member, killing American people and breaking American things is like the sound of one hand clapping - an unthinkable thought.

True... well, no, I’ve been thinking a lot about congress, the exec. branch, and (to a lesser extent) the USSC in conjunction with my oath to defend and protect the Constitution from enemies domestic and foreign.

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dv698tm_22dr6x3nfb

>Keep us posted if there’s “training” to make the unthinkable thinkable.

Ah, the training I mentioned was part of the train-up for deploying to Iraq about two years ago. I was merely noting that the people in power might be tempted to think that the “mission statements” (if you will) of the Army and that of the police are the same (or close enough for government work).


17 posted on 03/23/2009 8:40:06 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: riri
Schenectady is a shit hole and has been in a death spiral since GE pulled out decades ago.

That's a shame, Schenectady is where my dad grew up. Sure enough, his father worked for GE. They moved, along with many others, in the 60s when Apollo was getting ramped up. Back then who could have guessed the government would be seriously contemplating martial law over a corrupt police force 40 years later?
18 posted on 03/23/2009 8:49:10 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: bimboeruption

This dept has a history of disaster


19 posted on 03/23/2009 8:49:33 AM PDT by sickoflibs (RINOs : "We stand for nothing but we're not as bad as Pelosi !")
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To: bimboeruption

How about calling up the unorganized militia. (Ooops there is that nasty politically incorrect noun militia.) Anyway, I’m sure there are hundreds of senior citizens retired and otherwise that would bring their personal weapons (Ooops personal weapons???Who would have thought???) and police the streets and neighborhoods.


20 posted on 03/23/2009 9:10:58 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: bimboeruption

The Schenectady department is probably the most corrupt in NY State. Drug dealers sometimes go free because when it’s time to go to trial the drug evidence is missing.


21 posted on 03/23/2009 9:30:48 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: bimboeruption

What a drama queen.

The law duty should next fall to the elected county sheriff. He can deputize people to take over the bureaucratic functions while his desk-bound deputies patrol the town. I’m sure there’s retired deputies and veterans who can push papers, handle dispatch, count bullets, ration doughnuts and answer phones.

Some politicians are so stupid they need to locked in zoos for the public safety.


22 posted on 03/23/2009 9:36:57 AM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: OneWingedShark

Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that. Good stuff in that link too. Thanks!


23 posted on 03/23/2009 10:12:33 AM PDT by Moozle ( Check out the conservative shirts, etc. at - http://www.cafepress.com/philoshirt)
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To: Syncro

Long Island, N.Y.


24 posted on 03/23/2009 11:09:17 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Moozle

Thank you, I wrote that.


25 posted on 03/23/2009 12:31:51 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: bimboeruption
Police Chief Mark Chaires told us you basically have to fire yourself - essentially a million dollar fine in lost benefits over a lifetime.

Does this mean that it's basically impossible to fire a police officer because they still get lifetime benefits? The sentence didn't make sense to me.

26 posted on 03/23/2009 1:40:08 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: OneWingedShark

Thanks for the link.


27 posted on 03/23/2009 3:43:11 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: ml/nj
GE pulled out decades ago

Yes, in stages. The old factory was still visible and in ruins from the highway when I left quite some time ago.

28 posted on 03/24/2009 2:13:20 PM PDT by riri
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To: riri
GE still has a big presence in Schnectady. That doesn't mean that they haven't moved some activites out and shut down others, but there are still a lot of people working for GE up there SFAIK.

ML/NJ

29 posted on 03/24/2009 9:35:54 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
Hm, seems you are right. I looked into it a little more. I tohught they had completely pulled out.

GE is the largest employer in Schenectady by a very large margin, and thus they have a very close relationship. What happens to one will usually effect the other very quickly. As GE diversified in the late 20th century, parts of the Schenectady works closed, laying off large numbers of people. But still to say they are still the largest employer doesn't say much for that poor but once very beautiful and vibrant city.

I used to go to an acting/modeling agent of sorts when I was a kid and her office was in the Proctor Arcade downtown. It was once such a beautiful building, it was defunct even then...but even as a kid the ruins of the city fascinated me.

30 posted on 03/25/2009 8:23:39 AM PDT by riri
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To: riri
once very beautiful and vibrant city

Schenectady? (Maybe compared to Troy!)

I went to RPI in the 60s and had occasion to go over to Schenectady once in a while. I never saw much there.

ML/NJ

31 posted on 03/25/2009 8:33:13 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

LOL! Yeah it must have seen it’s hey day in the early 1900’s. Troy too though was once a decent place. Hard to imagine. I went to Russell Sage BTW.


32 posted on 03/25/2009 9:07:29 AM PDT by riri
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To: ml/nj

HEY HEY, easy on the Troylets. (I lived on Pawling Ave at one point..)

:)


33 posted on 03/28/2009 10:07:12 AM PDT by Moozle ( Check out the conservative shirts, etc. at - http://www.cafepress.com/philoshirt)
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To: bimboeruption

What about the County Sheriff???


34 posted on 03/29/2009 12:53:12 PM PDT by Thunder90
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