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3 Strikes: Music Industry, ISPs May Cut Internet Access for File-Sharers (Ooooh, scary--sarc/)
fox news ^ | March 23, 2009 | Liza Porteus Viana

Posted on 03/24/2009 9:47:56 AM PDT by max americana

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To: Huck

or the download pricepoint is just not there yet.

look what happened with the itunes 99 cents made a difference.

The problem is the consumer is buying a song, the industry THINKS they are selling a recording in a particular format.

There has to be a “convenience price” that works. IOW something that has no DRM and is not draconian to use. (ie not slaved to itunes managment software)


21 posted on 03/24/2009 10:18:45 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Huck
What is an unjust law? Copyright? It’s in the Constitution.

I'm for amending the Constitution.

22 posted on 03/24/2009 10:19:16 AM PDT by exist
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To: exist

You’re an idiot. You’re not protesting anything. You’re just a selfish moron.


23 posted on 03/24/2009 10:19:32 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: longtermmemmory

I think they should figure out a way to release music in a format that can’t be digitized. I don’t know if that’s even possible, but that’s what they should do.


24 posted on 03/24/2009 10:21:20 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: Huck
You’re an idiot. You’re not protesting anything. You’re just a selfish moron.

Ok well if you're just going to resort to personal attacks there's no point in discussing it further. Good day, sir.

25 posted on 03/24/2009 10:21:30 AM PDT by exist
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To: Huck
Downloaders are basically driving up to the vegetable stand, loading up on tomatoes, and stiffing the farmer.

Except that in this case, there are still just as many tomatoes at the stand when they leave. Oops, doesn't fit your "stealing" paradigm very well...

26 posted on 03/24/2009 10:21:53 AM PDT by Sloth (The tree of liberty desperately needs watering.)
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To: Huck
More than anything is comes down to one simple fact - the business model has changed and nothing, absolutely nothing is ever going to bring it back. If musicians and the companies that sign them want to make lots of money going forward they are going to have to figure out a way to do it outside of selling CDs, simple as that. We can all whine that it changed for the wrong reasons ala the deterioration of our national character but all that is just pissing in the wind. Business models have collapsed throughout history, it is just reality. Doesn't matter why.
27 posted on 03/24/2009 10:22:06 AM PDT by statered ("And you know what I mean.")
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To: exist

Good. You’re not worth “discussing” anything. You’re just a babbler.


28 posted on 03/24/2009 10:22:15 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: Huck
Good. You’re not worth “discussing” anything. You’re just a babbler.

Please let's not resort to personal attacks.

29 posted on 03/24/2009 10:23:13 AM PDT by exist
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To: statered

It hasn’t merely changed. It’s gone. There is no business model for sound recordings anymore. It’s a terrible loss.


30 posted on 03/24/2009 10:23:20 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: exist

>> Because I believe it’s an unjust law.

First, I fail to see how it is unjust to require you to pay for merchandise (including intellectual property). Second, we are not empowered to violate those laws that we disagree with.

>> Like slavery. So it’s a form of civil protest. Like throwing tea in the harbor.

Please spare me the high-and-mighty rationalization. You’re no Thomas Paine or Harriet Tubman. You’re a petty thief — stealing the fruit of other peoples’ labor without compensating them.

Fundamentally, you’re no different than the liberals that pass confiscatory taxes. You unilaterally put within the public domain the property of other people. Capitalist, my ass.

SnakeDoc


31 posted on 03/24/2009 10:23:27 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor (God Bless Our Troops -- Especially Our Snipers)
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To: Huck
It’s really sad what’s happened to music business. People dont’ buy music anymore. How is a musician supposed to make money? Why bother making music? So you can sell ringtones? It’s just sad. And it’s sad that people feel no responsibility towards paying the artists for their work. They just glom it off the net. Cheapskates.

First of all, how many times do I have to buy "The Best of the Eagles"? or say.... Dire Straits? I bought them in the 70's, bought some more of the same songs, again, in the 80's, copied them to cassettes and then even bought some CD's, now their on my hard drive. But it's a pain in the neck.

So I've bought some songs 2 or 3 times.

How about some old Johnny Winter stuff?

Some music is difficult to find and some stuff I've found like a live version of Hendrix and Billy Gibbons is impossible to find in any store or web site.

Finally, the musicians are making money the old fashioned way... performing. They get a cut of the gate, the T-Shirts, posters and whatever else they can get a hold of.

Now I have to admit it would be tough for a band like Steely Dan to "tour", but that's how musicians make money now. Performing.

32 posted on 03/24/2009 10:24:14 AM PDT by erman (Outside of a dog, a book is man's best companion. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.)
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To: Huck
How is a musician supposed to make money?

I find working a job helps me to bring in money.

Why bother making music?

Because I love to write songs and play them in front of people.
33 posted on 03/24/2009 10:24:14 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Sloth
Except that in this case, there are still just as many tomatoes at the stand when they leave. Oops, doesn't fit your "stealing" paradigm very well...

Incorrect. A downloaded song that was not paid for is a loss of revenue. It's stealing. I love how you thieves squirm at the reality of your deeds. Just admit it. You're a petty thief.

34 posted on 03/24/2009 10:24:40 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: SnakeDoctor
Please spare me the high-and-mighty rationalization. You’re no Thomas Paine or Harriet Tubman. You’re a petty thief — stealing the fruit of other peoples’ labor without compensating them.

And Harriet Tubman is not Thomas Paine and Thomas Paine isn't Harriet Tubman. What is your point?

35 posted on 03/24/2009 10:25:28 AM PDT by exist
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To: erman

I agree. Stealing music has made the sound recording a lost art. It’s a terrific loss.


36 posted on 03/24/2009 10:25:40 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: Huck

>> I think they should figure out a way to release music in a format that can’t be digitized. I don’t know if that’s even possible, but that’s what they should do.

This would kill more sales than it would generate. I buy music and movies specifically for the purpose of digitizing them for my own personal use (on IPods, AppleTVs, etc.).

Without this capability, the item is useless to me, and they will therefore lose my sale.

SnakeDoc


37 posted on 03/24/2009 10:26:02 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor (God Bless Our Troops -- Especially Our Snipers)
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To: Huck
And it’s sad that people feel no responsibility towards paying the artists for their work. They just glom it off the net. Cheapskates.

I buy mp3 downloads from Amazon all the time. They are only .99 and I can pick and choose what I want. And no DRM.

38 posted on 03/24/2009 10:26:10 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Yes, Gorbachev is better than Obama. At least Gorbachev admitted he was a Communist)
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To: SnakeDoctor
First, I fail to see how it is unjust to require you to pay for merchandise (including intellectual property). Second, we are not empowered to violate those laws that we disagree with.

We have a long tradition of civil disobedience in the face of unjust laws. This is an unjust law, and I am carrying out civil disobedience in the face of it.

39 posted on 03/24/2009 10:26:58 AM PDT by exist
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To: exist

Because I believe it’s an unjust law. Like slavery. So it’s a form of civil protest. Like throwing tea in the harbor.
_________

LOL.

You don’t think anyone is actually buying your self-serving and incredibly silly notion that having to pay someone for their work is like slavery, do you?

You are as transparent as an empty jewel case. You just want what you want, and since the technology exists enabling you to take what you want, what little remains of your conscience recognizes that you must come up with a plausible argument for why it’s OK to steal.

And the best you came up with is the slavery analog? Too funny.


40 posted on 03/24/2009 10:27:14 AM PDT by dmz
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