House Democrats ready to give immigration bill another shot ("I would love to see them try")

The Hill ^ | 03/24/09 | Jared Allen and J. Taylor Rushing

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

McCain might surprise us on this. He repudiated amnesty during campaign.

You believe McCain's double talk? He always says that amnesty is not really "amnesty."

[surfer]

We just need to get rid of the RINO’s as well. Either they are conservative or not...

[mojitojoe]

NO DAMN WAY. GO BACK TO MEXICO!

[Zechariah_8_13]

“It will be a common experience and we will be prepared, God forbid, God forbid that there is a chemical hit, another terrorist act or natural disaster becoming more frequent - there’ll be a body of citizens who are ready and capable and trained - that’s all you have to think about,” said Emanuel before smugly declaring, “We’re all here for you OK? It’s a circle of love.”

Yeah, they're there for us all right. I suppose anything from a net to a mushroom cloud can be their "big circle of love."

[softwarecreator]

Why? It's OUR country, or well, it USED to be!

Unfortunately, it'll be way too late by the 2010 elections to do anything about it.

We are losing this country ... and quicker than I ever thought possible.

[softwarecreator]

By the time 2010 rolls around it'll already have passed and then we are done for.

No way a Republican will get elected if these people are allowed to vote (and they will be).

That's approximately 12,000,000 extra democrat votes!

[sickoflibs]

RE “You believe McCain's double talk? He always says that amnesty is not really “amnesty.””

I remember. Then he got the nomination in spite of that showing republican primary voters are not much smarter than democrats. I am saying I dont know what he is up to, but so far with spending democrats have kept him on our side.I like McCain less than I like Bush, but McCain didn't get elected so had less opportunity to cause damage.

[ponygirl]

“If you’d picked any issue that’s not on the front-burner right now, you’ve picked it,” said Sen. Jon Kyl (Ariz.)...

And that's exactly why they've picked it. Duh.

[MARTIAL MONK]

There's nothing wrong with Flake. He reflects long standing Arizona attitudes on the drift and flow of people across the border.

During the 90's I was working in Arizona as a building contractor. We were a rather small outfit purposely as we went after small, high quality projects. I had a small basic crew of very skilled people. When we needed a different skill set or more manpower, I didn't place an ad or call the employment office, I would call one of my friends with a similar company and ask, “Who do you have who can _________. We traded employees continually.

The last thing we were concerned about was an extra $2.00 or $5.00 or even $10.00 an hour. Projects are time driven and a few bucks here and there didn't matter. We usually didn't even ask. We were after quality and by calling friends we knew that the people had been filtered. Hiring decisions were generally done on an immediate basis and in the field. Rarely did we have a question about nationality and in all honesty it probably wouldn't have made much of a difference. We certainly didn't have an opportunity to do in-depth checking.

The immigration issue came up when it was contended that one of our group was, himself, illegal. Others insisted that he could not be because they had gone to high school with him. It turned out that he was indeed illegal. His parents had brought him across when he was a toddler. When he had trouble getting a license or bond we covered him with our licenses but it got us a bit worried. The fine for hiring an illegal was $10,000 and the money would have been a hit but we were more worried about the time and expense of dealing with the Feds. The other contractors (and a few others from outside our circle) asked me to see if we could get a unified verification system for employees. What we had in mind was a system where a private company could check out, verify and sponsor workers for a fee. I began corresponding with Arizona's Congressional delegation over a range of possibilities. Every one of them was receptive. This was for a guest worker program, not an amnesty. That subject never even came up.

Immigration is not a big issue to me. Period. Others have a different view and perhaps a better perspective so I will defer to them until the argument turns racist. If it does, I will fight them tooth and nail. The party is a Grand Coalition of different perspectives finding commonalities and I, along with everyone else will have to give and take.

[DirtyHarryY2K]

Immigration Quotes MUST SEE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCqBezI2uL4&feature=related

[CottonBall]

She was quite vague. Either she was not for it, but couldn’t oppose McCain on it - or she’s also for it. I hear Alaska is a sanctuary state, so that would indicate she’s for it.

Besides, not one single politician nowadays is honest enough to say they are for amnesty. The A word isn’t spoken any more.

[bill1952]

Brady and many other Republicans said that, throughout large swaths of the country, the dynamics have not changed since the failed effort of 2007 —

Hate to say it, but, translated into Nationwide dynamics, that statement is flat out nuts.

Hell yes, the dynamic has changed. - We have a Kenyan named Hussein as president, and a cartful more democrats in Congress than there were before.

Does that translate into enough votes to pass a bill?

I wouldn't bet against hussein at this point.
We have not stopped him from doing one thing so far. - be prepared

[CottonBall]

Others have a different view and perhaps a better perspective so I will defer to them until the argument turns racist.

There is nothing racist about the term 'illegal'. Only the pro-amnesty types that don't believe that our laws matter try to play the race card.

I suggest you look at statistics. How much more crime we have because of illegals. How much money each illegal costs us in terms of health care and other free handouts. How much more dumbed down our education system is because it panders to illegals/anchors that don't speak english before it teaches our children academics. How much money it costs businesses and the gov to print information in multiple languages. The issue is huge - and not just about you lining your pocket by hiring illegals.

[MARTIAL MONK]

The three pillars of the old Arizona economy, Copper, Cotton, and Cattle (later Citrus and Construction were added) depended on Mexican labor. The great copper mines were built with Mexican labor. Pancho Villa, himself, was a hod carrier at Clarkdale before he became notorious. There was a relatively free flow of labor across the border. It is what built the state.

I saw Arizona go from one of the lowest taxed states to the fifth highest taxed state because of immigration. No, not Mexican. New Jerseyites, Chicagoans, Kansas farm boys looking for a future. The sea of housing and the infrastructure required to accommodate the influx was expensive and labor intensive. There was a flood of ingrates who came down, parked their fat asses by the pool and bitched about the people who built the pool, built their house, built their road and built the stores that they shopped in.

Like I said, our outfit was small and very quality oriented. The Mexican labor mostly went to the low end contractors and the very big guys who just needed bodies. If we found talent, though, it wasn't a big deal if his name was Pancho or Pete. There weren't enough white boys to go around. Any white with half a brain was soon a foreman or was operating his own business.

Immigration and citizenship is a legitimate topic for debate and, as I said, I'm going to sit this one out and let others hash it out -- unless it turns nasty. Then I will be in with both feet. I do question the credentials of any conservative who, when confronted with a problem of people drawn here by an over-generous welfare system, attacks those people and not the welfare system.

[CottonBall]

Immigration and citizenship is a legitimate topic for debate and, as I said, I'm going to sit this one out and let others hash it out -- unless it turns nasty. Then I will be in with both feet.

Why wait until then though? You must enjoy a fight ;)

I do question the credentials of any conservative who, when confronted with a problem of people drawn here by an over-generous welfare system, attacks those people and not the welfare system.

Why should conservatives not have disdain for both? Sure, it's the liberals that created the welfare state that started it all. But it's those willing to break our laws that are doing the action. Personal responsibility, ya know. Conservatives are really big on that.

[MaggieCarta]

Thank you, rabscuttle385.

[MARTIAL MONK]

You must enjoy a fight

I've never looked for a fight nor backed off from one. There are others in this party who feel passionately about this issue. I don't. As long as it does not become a racial issue I am willing to accede to their wishes. I will not give up total control to any group.

Personal responsibility

Now that's one you can drive a truck through. Anything can be framed into that context. Minding my own G-D business, now that's one I'm big on.

[CottonBall]

Now that's one you can drive a truck through. Anything can be framed into that context. Minding my own G-D business, now that's one I'm big on.

Sounds like an excuse to let others break the law and ignoring it. You're completely avoiding the issue that those that are breaking our laws are personally responsible for their own actions. Just as you are responsible for your actions -benefitting from those criminal invaders being here and pretending that it is a racial thing if someone objects. You are on the side of the libs on this one. Sad that money is so important to you.

[CottonBall]

Minding my own G-D business, now that's one I'm big on.

Do you mind your own business when your neighbor's house or car is being broken into? How about when his job is stolen? You might say that few citizens (you used the term 'whites' - very racist of you, BTW) apply for your jobs. That's because you pay so little that Americans cannot afford to work for you. In ANY field that illegals have taken over, wages have gone down. Drastically. Employers like you make higher profits by paying less, many times under the table.

Besides, now many Americans are out of work. Many illegals too. Watch the crime stats in the heavily invaded areas - they are through the roof. All thanks to you minding your own business.

[Norman Bates]

I’m surprised it’s not big to you since you are in Arizona. My state is a magnet for illegal aliens. Our state driver’s license is not even accepted by your state because it is issued with so much lax. I am no expert but from what I gather illegal aliens are consuming enormous public resources in the Southwest. They don’t bother to wait in line; they are going to vote democrat and no amount of goodwill from Republicans is going to largely change that except in single digits.

I supported a guest worker program and increased border security in 2007 but I now know that I can have no confidence in congress, this president, or the government’s job to get it right. There will be a large-scale amnesty no matter what the GOP tries to moderate. It’s not good. Flake should not be a willing participant in that kind of foolishness.