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No: California does not need any more stoners
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 3/26/09 | Jim Gogek

Posted on 03/26/2009 10:13:28 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Smogger

There is a specific difference between them, though.

An antihistimine is specifically taken to curb a dysfunction.

Alcohol and pot are specifically taken to induce a dysfunction.

I’m not sure you see the logic.


61 posted on 03/26/2009 11:47:19 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Cancel liberal newspaper, magazine & cable TV subscriptions (Free TV-dtv.gov). Stop funding the MSM.)
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To: ConservativeMind
Do any of those crimes qualify for “under the influence?” I think all of those are extended to everyone, including those who may use drugs specifically MEANT to screw up your abilities.

I'm pretty sure the prescription drugs will land you a DUI charge.

But frankly, I would be just as angry with someone who caused an accident while yakking on their cell phone as I would with someone who's had a few too many beers.

Wouldn't you?

62 posted on 03/26/2009 11:48:24 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: ConservativeMind

No everyone who causes and accident should be treated as though they caused an accident. Of course some people are inattentative, but many are just poor drivers. I happen to think poor drivers should be punished for being poor drivers. Maybe not the same as drunkards and dopers, but punished nonetheless. It would encourage them to be better drivers.

An egregious example is the old guy who drove through the Santa Monica farmers market and killed all those people, and then got off with a slap on the wrist.


63 posted on 03/26/2009 11:50:19 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I’m upset at all accidents. However, a cell phone is not something used to induce a dysfunction, with no other benefits.

Pot and alcohol are taken to induce a dysfunction alone.


64 posted on 03/26/2009 11:50:25 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Cancel liberal newspaper, magazine & cable TV subscriptions (Free TV-dtv.gov). Stop funding the MSM.)
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To: ConservativeMind
An antihistimine is specifically taken to curb a dysfunction.

Alcohol and pot are specifically taken to induce a dysfunction.

A distinction without a difference, in practical terms.

65 posted on 03/26/2009 11:51:10 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

What a great marketing campaign, get hot chicks stoned.


66 posted on 03/26/2009 11:51:39 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

So you would argue that someone who kills someone in self-defense should be treated the same as someone who pre-meditated their killing? As you would say, that would be “a distinction without a difference, in practical terms.”


67 posted on 03/26/2009 11:54:49 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Cancel liberal newspaper, magazine & cable TV subscriptions (Free TV-dtv.gov). Stop funding the MSM.)
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To: ConservativeMind
However, a cell phone is not something used to induce a dysfunction, with no other benefits.

Pot and alcohol are taken to induce a dysfunction alone.

True, but the crime you're referencing here isn't the taking of drugs, but the driving of the car while impaired. So while a person may take an anithistamine for a legitimate purpose, they make a choice to drive while their faculties are possibly impaired.

That seems just as premeditated to me.

68 posted on 03/26/2009 11:56:24 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: ConservativeMind
So you would argue that someone who kills someone in self-defense should be treated the same as someone who pre-meditated their killing? As you would say, that would be “a distinction without a difference, in practical terms.”

I don't think that analogy holds up.

Murder and killing are not the same acts, necessarily, and killing in self-defense is certainly not the same act as murder.

Driving impaired is driving impaired, regardless of the substance.

69 posted on 03/26/2009 11:58:51 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: ConservativeMind
I’m not sure you see the logic.

The issue is a Libertarian wet dream, and they don't understand why this is not a Conservative agenda, and never will be.

70 posted on 03/26/2009 11:59:52 AM PDT by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Obama it is then.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

The antihistamine use is extended to drunkards, too, and would protect them if only they weren’t drunk.

I’m not arguing that those who drive drunk can’t be given the same allowance we give others for talking on a cell phone, while taking antihistamines, etc. My problem is with their compounding the problem with something meant only to pervert their rational abilities alone.


71 posted on 03/26/2009 12:00:05 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Cancel liberal newspaper, magazine & cable TV subscriptions (Free TV-dtv.gov). Stop funding the MSM.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
So the result is no different between killing in self-defense versus planning and performing a murder?

You are saying that killing someone from inattention is the same as killing someone from drunk driving.

I don't think you understand those are the same argument and that you are inconsistent.

72 posted on 03/26/2009 12:03:31 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Cancel liberal newspaper, magazine & cable TV subscriptions (Free TV-dtv.gov). Stop funding the MSM.)
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To: Nephi

Lots of violent crimes are committed because of the illegal drug trade. Murders, kidnappings, brutal beatings...etc..

I have been playing with the argument of decriminalizing drugs, but only if you register as a user. If you want to smoke pot, fine; register as a user. Any employer can ask if you are a registered user, as well as your insurance company.

Those who believe that government must make our decisions for us must be the Obama voters on this forum. There’s a lot of them.


73 posted on 03/26/2009 12:05:39 PM PDT by Loud Mime (The IRS collectes $1 trillion in taxes each year. Why not forgive all taxes for a year? Stimulus!)
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To: ConservativeMind
So the result is no different between killing in self-defense versus planning and performing a murder?

I did not say that. I said the ACTS weren't the same. Killing someone while defending yourself is a different act than premeditated murder.

I would even argue the results AREN'T the same: in one, an innocent person is killed; in the other, a guilty person.

You are saying that killing someone from inattention is the same as killing someone from drunk driving.

"Inattention" can mean many things. Stick with the antihistamine analogy: killing someone by driving impaired after taking antihistamines is the same as doing so while drunk.

74 posted on 03/26/2009 12:12:16 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: ConservativeMind
My problem is with their compounding the problem with something meant only to pervert their rational abilities alone.

I can see your point. I don't really agree, though.

75 posted on 03/26/2009 12:14:45 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: NormsRevenge

The idea that legalization would somehow improve the economy is silly. We need legalization to save the Constitution from the shredder and to deprive violent drug cartels of a major source of revenue.


76 posted on 03/26/2009 12:19:45 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Oldexpat

I can see why they want to tax it, tobacco taxes are not keeping up with the declining sales of cigerattes fast enough for the budget.


77 posted on 03/26/2009 12:34:24 PM PDT by dhm914
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To: freekitty

I don’t want to have to deal or try to converse with someone that is somewhere off in space.

Hey now. Obama did it the other day .. talking to the folks in the Space Station. They’re still scratching their heads over his jokes, Tang etc.. Who’s stoned? ;-)


78 posted on 03/26/2009 1:26:25 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: NormsRevenge

On the bright side, stoned people are content as long as they have a roof, food, and TV. Much less demanding. I say we pass it out like candy. Keeps them away from the voting booths.


79 posted on 03/26/2009 1:29:13 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Think HollywoodÂ’s hit rock bottom? You forget how well they dig. (bighollywood.breitbart.com)
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To: Darwin Fish
Bull shite

I heard that's already legal.

Just don't try smoking it.

But seriously. Anyone who wants to legalize pot is a LIBERAL.

80 posted on 03/26/2009 1:59:18 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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