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Predation Did Not Come from Evolution
ICR ^ | March 28, 2009 | Daniel Criswell, Ph.D.

Posted on 03/28/2009 7:56:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Predation Did Not Come from Evolution

by Daniel Criswell, Ph.D.*

Although the origin of predation is poorly understood, it is incorrect to attribute to young-earth creation the assertion that predatory animals quickly and recently evolved the physical features necessary for predation. It is a common fallacy that carnivores evolved from a change in form and function. No physical evolution was required to change herbivores to predators--it was merely a change in behavior.

The view that an alteration of genomes and phenotypes, such as sharp teeth and claws, would have been required to supply the physical features for predation from herbivorous features common in plant-eating animals is not correct. The shape of the teeth, the ability to run fast for short distances, and all the other physical attributes given to predators can be used for acquiring plant food sources as well. A few examples of mammal diets will verify this quite well...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; fruitbat; fsm; grizzly; intelligentdesign; omnivore; predation; vegetarian
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1 posted on 03/28/2009 7:56:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: editor-surveyor; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; GourmetDan; MrB; valkyry1; DaveLoneRanger; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/28/2009 7:56:57 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Yet another proof of the utter failure of Darwinistas.


3 posted on 03/28/2009 8:07:33 PM PDT by dddanonymous
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ok. But I bet you won’t see goats and sheep hunting down coyotes anytime soon.


4 posted on 03/28/2009 8:08:39 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ya gotta be fast to outrun a Texas tumbleweed.


5 posted on 03/28/2009 8:09:39 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: dddanonymous

I hear they’re making a comeback in Nicaragua ;op


6 posted on 03/28/2009 8:11:25 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Okay, how do you explain El Chupacabra? / sarc (snicker)


8 posted on 03/28/2009 8:14:17 PM PDT by stboz
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To: mamelukesabre
Ok. But I bet you won’t see goats and sheep hunting down coyotes anytime soon.

As I recall, a rabbit with giant canine teeth once attacked the President of the United States.


9 posted on 03/28/2009 8:19:35 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: GodGunsGuts
The need for predation by these animals clearly results from a change in behavior, not from a change in form and function.

The most functional metric in studying the different biologies of predators and herbavores is the length of the digestive tract. This is because soft raw flesh needs to be digested as quickly as possible and then eliminated before putrifaction occurs, while an herbaceous diet requires a much longer digestive process to break down the tough plant material adequately enough to extract it's nutritious qualities. And indeed, predators have much shorter diegstive tracts than the much longer digestive tracts of herbavores, while omnivores have digestive tract lengths between the two extremes (the metric beign established by the calculation of a ratio of body length to digestive tract length). These differences are mandatory for survival, and constitute clear proof of the operation of form and function rather than mere behavior. Whether evolution caused these differences is another question, but denying their existence and importance is simply ignorance.

10 posted on 03/28/2009 8:20:23 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: mamelukesabre

How about Eagles hunting mountain goats!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3n4qPpL8T0


11 posted on 03/28/2009 8:21:03 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

In nature you are the eater or the eaten.


13 posted on 03/28/2009 8:22:13 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Yeah, right. As if the digestive systems of animals changed with a finger snap as well.

I am a God-fearing Catholic. Evolution is not incompatible with Christianity. The 6000 year people make all Christians look like idiots.

14 posted on 03/28/2009 8:22:20 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Polybius

Hey that’s different. Rabbits are mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ez5QPW-ku4


15 posted on 03/28/2009 8:22:26 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: GodGunsGuts

Same failed ideas too.


16 posted on 03/28/2009 8:24:16 PM PDT by dddanonymous
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To: Gordon Greene; All

Sorry I just find hard to believe that the Earth is flat, the Earth is the center of the universe, or 6000 years old.... Just pointing out the facts..


17 posted on 03/28/2009 8:25:01 PM PDT by KevinDavis (No one should question our "Dear Leader"!)
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To: KevinDavis

But it is isn’t it...I mean...oh good lord...even I can’t keep it up that long.

LOL

I mean really WTF


18 posted on 03/28/2009 8:25:17 PM PDT by JNL
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To: buccaneer81

And the people who discount young earth are denying the scriptures.

And these are the same ones who call everyone else idiots then cry because they can’t back up their own lousy theories.

You may fear God, but you either don’t believe or don’t know your bible.


19 posted on 03/28/2009 8:25:41 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - It is possible to be so open minded that your brains leak out.)
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To: JNL; All

Carbon dating has proved other wise..


20 posted on 03/28/2009 8:26:33 PM PDT by KevinDavis (No one should question our "Dear Leader"!)
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To: KevinDavis

Come on genius... point out the “facts” of evolution so we can all see how smart you are and be enlightened.


21 posted on 03/28/2009 8:26:48 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - It is possible to be so open minded that your brains leak out.)
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To: KevinDavis

I’m with you, Kevin. The 6000 crowd just feeds the lib/media frenzy of portraying Christians as idiots.


22 posted on 03/28/2009 8:26:53 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Evol-ers crack me up! :-)


23 posted on 03/28/2009 8:27:47 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Gordon Greene; All

People who believe the young earth tend to be simpletons..


24 posted on 03/28/2009 8:28:00 PM PDT by KevinDavis (No one should question our "Dear Leader"!)
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To: Gordon Greene
Come on genius... point out the “facts” of evolution so we can all see how smart you are and be enlightened.

Show me the "facts" of the Earth being created 6000 years ago.

25 posted on 03/28/2009 8:28:06 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Gordon Greene
And the people who discount young earth are denying the scriptures.

Ever heard of parables?

26 posted on 03/28/2009 8:29:36 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Gordon Greene; All

Species change over time.. It doesn’t change overnight. For example look at the human race. It change and splintered for god knows how long.. Also how in the heck can a species really start from just 2 people??


27 posted on 03/28/2009 8:29:51 PM PDT by KevinDavis (No one should question our "Dear Leader"!)
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To: KevinDavis; GodGunsGuts

A basher of science, delusional, and willfully ignorant, but I think moron is a little strong.


28 posted on 03/28/2009 8:30:27 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: LearsFool

“Evol-ers crack me up! :-)”

Could it be their laughable distortion of science and their militant defense of the indefensible?

Or is it their awesome Star-Trek like dry wit?

They come on all these threads spewing venom like a spitting cobra. I’m trying to laugh... honest.


29 posted on 03/28/2009 8:30:44 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - It is possible to be so open minded that your brains leak out.)
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To: KevinDavis; Gordon Greene
Darwood's dataless creation myth makes a mockery of science. BTW, did you hear what the evidence forced the Evos to give Darwood for his 200th birthday? Needless to say, creation scientists have been predicting this day would come ever science Darwood (the med-school dropout, the non-scientist, the divinity school graduate turned Christian apostate, turned bearded Buddha of naturalism) published his first full-length materialist creation myth. LOL!!!


30 posted on 03/28/2009 8:30:56 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: buccaneer81; All

I maybe be a little harsh, but that is how I feel...


31 posted on 03/28/2009 8:31:25 PM PDT by KevinDavis (No one should question our "Dear Leader"!)
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To: mamelukesabre
In the entire sheep/goat genus there aren't any predators are there.

What we all share is an ability to digest carbohydrates (sugars/starches), proteins and fats/oils. That comes in various degrees and may be augmented by bacteria so that we can digest high order sugars such as those found in wood.

On the other hand that ability ranges from 0% expression all the way to 100% expression.

Your typical prey animal eats lots of carbs and oils. Your typical predator animal eats lots of protein and fats.

Even among humans there are vast differences. Far Northern peoples almost universally express diabetes upon encountering a diet rich in carbohydrates. Clearly it is our fate to subsist on beluga whale, seals and fish.

Yet others begin perishing when the amount of protein in the diet exceeds 40% over a long enough period of time.

32 posted on 03/28/2009 8:31:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: KevinDavis
Sorry I just find hard to believe ... the Earth is the center of the universe ... Just pointing out the facts..

And just where is the center of the universe, KevinDavis? Educate "an moron."

33 posted on 03/28/2009 8:32:07 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: buccaneer81

But they can’t you see...they demand evidence but give nothing but “God did it”

If all else fails in their worldeview...god did it.

Now that is not to say there is no GOD.

GOD is compatible with evolution.


34 posted on 03/28/2009 8:32:08 PM PDT by JNL
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To: Gordon Greene

The Old Testament was written for primitive people to understand a greater message. As far as Genesis, just how long was a “day” to God? A day? A million years? A billion?


35 posted on 03/28/2009 8:32:12 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: buccaneer81

==I am a God-fearing Catholic. Evolution is not incompatible with Christianity. The 6000 year people make all Christians look like idiots.

Actually, it’s the other way around. It’s the so-called Christian Evos who make God out to be a liar. Shame on you!


36 posted on 03/28/2009 8:32:46 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: KevinDavis
People who believe the young earth tend to be simpletons.

"Tend", "tend"?
WOW, you are too kind.

37 posted on 03/28/2009 8:32:50 PM PDT by PatHimself
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To: GodGunsGuts

Some people think you have to go to some middle eastern hellhole to find ignorant religious zealonts that preach their way or the highway.


38 posted on 03/28/2009 8:33:03 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Gordon Greene
And the people who discount young earth are denying the scriptures.

The people who don't think you should handle snakes or drink deadly poison are denying the scriptures, too.

39 posted on 03/28/2009 8:33:16 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Eagles are predators, and goats aren’t. So that example doesn’t work.


40 posted on 03/28/2009 8:33:26 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: KevinDavis

“Sorry I just find hard to believe that the Earth is flat, the Earth is the center of the universe, or 6000 years old, Darwinism, etc.... Just pointing out the facts..”

Another flat earth/Darwinist scientist.


42 posted on 03/28/2009 8:33:48 PM PDT by gscc
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To: KevinDavis
I maybe be a little harsh, but that is how I feel...

It's not you being harsh, it's these people being idiots.

43 posted on 03/28/2009 8:33:54 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: RegulatorCountry; All

Well the universe is big and big.... If we are not in the center of the Milky Way, then it proves to me that we are not the center of the universe...


44 posted on 03/28/2009 8:33:54 PM PDT by KevinDavis (No one should question our "Dear Leader"!)
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To: KevinDavis

Keep it up with your little kindergarten smacks. You guys flood these posts with your insults and reveal your waning IQ with every post.

If you could actually answer a question once in a while rather than just proving your ignorance somebody might take you seriously...

Why not start by squaring your ideas with Genesis.


45 posted on 03/28/2009 8:33:58 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - It is possible to be so open minded that your brains leak out.)
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To: Moonman62

Darwinian evolution is not science, it is a materialist creation myth based on nothing more than wishful thinking.


47 posted on 03/28/2009 8:34:26 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: JNL
GOD is compatible with evolution.

Absolutely.

48 posted on 03/28/2009 8:35:16 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: muawiyah

I perish when beer drops below 15%


49 posted on 03/28/2009 8:35:19 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: org.whodat

Im white, but Im not a cracker.


50 posted on 03/28/2009 8:35:31 PM PDT by dddanonymous
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